Does anyone have the list of former JB pilots and the reasons for leaving or where they wound up? You can PM it to me. There were a few on there that I've worked with in the past.

 

APC yelled at me because the list has 57000 characters... we're limited to 10000 per message apparently.

anyone specific you're looking for?

 

3 friends. AA, UPS, DAL.

The reasons were instability at Jetblue, pay, retirement, scope, vacation etc. at their respective carriers. Secondary to those were some of the "culture" issues associated with Jetblue.

Anything else?

 

Secondly, is there a system of thought that could be used to objectively determine rate of pay for an aircraft? You mentioned maximum theoretical seat count. Personally I think the equation ought to include things like operating domain (e.g. international training, international destinations).


Research Decision 83. It’s been the template for our pay rates for decades.

 

Have you seen the actual document anywhere? I can't seem to find it anywhere. I can find summaries but not the document. The NRLB website seems to start at 1935 and the decision was on May 10, 1934.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

 

It was the NLB, a predecessor of the NLRB.

“The NLB hearing before Judge Bernard Shientag of the New York State Supreme Court subsequently arrived at Decision 83. His compromise decision set the monthly maximum flight time at 85 hours, which was what Behncke had been pushing for all along. On the troublesome pay question, he gave in to the operators by establishing a basic hourly pay, which would increase with the speed of the aircraft, plus a small mileage increment.

The operators were shocked. Decision 83 gave the pilots an automatic share of any productivity gains associated with new aircraft, something they believed should accrue exclusively to stockholders. Although Behncke had originally opposed a straight hourly wage, he was willing to accept one because it was geared to the speed of the aircraft.”

— Flying the Line, Ch. 7

 

Right... I've found many summaries but not the actual language. I'm not looking for summaries or interpretations. Interestingly I can't even find it on the government website since it starts queries at 1935.



This communique is for entertainment purposes only. It does not implicitly or explicitly acknowledge employment with any air carrier nor is any relationship implied. This communique does not represent the opinions or policies of ALPA or JB ALPA and does not represent the collective pilot group, ALPA, nor does it imply collective bargaining, advocacy, or workforce actions intended to disrupt operations.

 

I've been here for too long not to know the answer to this but can anyone tell me if we get per diem during our time in MCO for recurrent? If not, why not?

 

Yes you'll get it. Might not show up on Rainmaker immediately though.

 

It won't show up in rainmaker at all, but as you said, it will be paid out.