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Old 07-29-2020 | 03:23 PM
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The trips were taken from the bus side and remade into 190 trips.
Yup! Let's pay protect all the Bus guys that were awarded these flights, pull the expensive 190s back out of storage and built a bunch of new trips and pay even more crews.
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Old 07-29-2020 | 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Yup! Let's pay protect all the Bus guys that were awarded these flights, pull the expensive 190s back out of storage and built a bunch of new trips and pay even more crews.
You just don’t see the big picture. ....but yes I’ve been wondering that myself.
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Old 07-29-2020 | 03:52 PM
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Maybe just to get all the cobwebs and birdsh-t off them before they sell them all come Winter?..........winter is coming.
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Old 07-30-2020 | 06:14 AM
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Are they able to achieve this flying without pulling 190s from the desert? Could be a play at keeping the 190 roster current and to avoid having an entire fleet from having to go to the training house. That would be a lot of training events as I imagine most are past the 90 and are on the 120-day extension.
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Old 07-30-2020 | 06:57 AM
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Originally Posted by 22RatW
Are they able to achieve this flying without pulling 190s from the desert? Could be a play at keeping the 190 roster current and to avoid having an entire fleet from having to go to the training house. That would be a lot of training events as I imagine most are past the 90 and are on the 120-day extension.

At an hour a piece the sims aren’t full. Training is at a standstill.


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Old 07-30-2020 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by capt707
Yup! Let's pay protect all the Bus guys that were awarded these flights, pull the expensive 190s back out of storage and built a bunch of new trips and pay even more crews.
3/4 of the crew costs are covered by CARES Act grants right now, so swapping into a 190 will have a minimal marginal cost associated with it since. I'm guessing timing with maintenence procedures is a larger contributor to variable cost through September, hence the downgauging to the 190 when possible.
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Old 07-30-2020 | 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RiddleEagle18
At an hour a piece the sims aren’t full. Training is at a standstill.


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You're right that the sim capacity is there but with deadheads, a room at JBU, and sheer volume, it might just make sense to throw a few landings on all your reservists with the existing fleet. I'll agree this looks like a lot of flying but they're mostly just a turn. So it may not be as much of an impact as it appears especially if the 190s currently flying are not being heavily utilized.

190 instructors weren't abundantly available when we were hiring, so retraining a whole fleet might not be entirely feasible. Also if they have to pull people in during off days, it adds up. Just a thought but may be completely wrong.
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Old 07-30-2020 | 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 22RatW
You're right that the sim capacity is there but with deadheads, a room at JBU, and sheer volume, it might just make sense to throw a few landings on all your reservists with the existing fleet.
Assigning a reserve a trip down to MCO to go to JBU for landings costs nothing. The room at JBU costs nothing (loads of empty rooms), The sim costs nothing, the deadhead costs nothing (tons of empty seats). Only cost is your per diem which is being spent on food and beer at JBU.
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Old 07-30-2020 | 07:53 AM
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If the flying can be achieved with not pulling anymore 190s, wouldn't it be easier than having to actually schedule all those events and hope for no hiccups? If they had to pull planes out of the desert just to store them again, I don't think this makes sense. However, I haven't seen any 190 trips out of MZJ yet.

So I think it's easier just to assign LCRs flying than having to schedule a whole fleet for a sim event (even if the cost is nothing to do so)
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Old 07-30-2020 | 07:59 AM
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Originally Posted by IrishNJ
Assigning a reserve a trip down to MCO to go to JBU for landings costs nothing. The room at JBU costs nothing (loads of empty rooms), The sim costs nothing, the deadhead costs nothing (tons of empty seats). Only cost is your per diem which is being spent on food and beer at JBU.

I think you’re right. Worst case you have some 190 pilots dequal and now needing RQ1. Now rather than sitting at home doing nothing on LCR/SCR they’re doing nothing waiting for a couple legs of OE. A pain in the butt for the pilots, but that doesn’t mean anything to the company.
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