You make it seem like the info on here is top secret? Although we are an airline run by interns, I'm sure they think they've got the right people for their side. We have the right people for OUR side. Let the process run it's course and THEN if the final outcome is cr@p , then we will ALL act.

I know I have a strike fund building, do you?

 

What? Just sit around and wait to see the final product???

With that attitude they will drag this out for years. Years. The company ultimately controls the speed of negotiations and without any external pressure, they have NO reason to give us a the contract we deserve.

Yeah, sit and wait, let me know how that works out for us!

I'm ALMOST speechless at the efforts to help JetBlue management, whether it is intentional or just the inability to see the big picture.

 

Yes, that's what I'm saying and I agree with you too. The company will show their true colors if they drag this out or come up with a sub-par proposal. If the UNION comes along and says the pace has gotten to a crawl to benefit the company, then you and I will act. It may not go at the pace you want, hell probably not even for me, but I'm waiting for the UNION to indicate that.

Drag it out, people won't come here/ they will leave , the company slowly fails...I think they realize that.

Do it right, get good pay, pilots are happy/ ( content for some of us), the company thrives, higher-ups get bigger bonuses, etc

Please PM me with creative ways I can come up with the "big picture" that I haven't realized from the UNION or my paltry 20 years in a 121 world.

edit: higher-ups always get a bigger bonus

 

For those of us who don't see the MEC emails, etc, what (if anything) are you willing to share about current negotiations?

Any details about the company low ball offer last week? Rough ballpark of things ALPA is asking for? Timeline until the MEC see's an offer to vote on?

 

Or drag it out just long enough for the next "recession" and cry hard times on the horizon to pay well.

 

Spirit has a MUCH better contract than Jb and life IS exceptionally better than whatever regional you are referring to. However they, like many other places have inadequate compensation for an airbus driver.

 

Oh, so you didn't read the union's last negotions update email?

We have company apologizer pilots and non-member blue juicer pilots that have been here 16 years. Since when does years experience guarantee someone gets the big picture? Never has, never will.

Your give an inch approach will simply result in the company taking a mile, every time.

I simply said tell people the truth on this site that we are 30-40% undercompensated here right now and they are better off at the big 4 until that changes. You have a problem with that Mr. Big Picture?

 

Why don't you see the emails?

 

I'm guessing by his question about BOS reserve he doesn't work here but is curious as a potential future blue pilot.

 

Every post I've seen from you has been attacking someone else. Nobody here is debating that we're underpaid compared to industry standard. Everybody wants a contract now. The fact is that the NC is in direct negotiations and progress is being made, albeit slower than we all would prefer. The company made a low ball offer on compensation (according to the union blast) but that's not the last best final offer. It's a starting point. We still have open sections that are being negotiated. Why would they give the farm away in compensation while the real tough scheduling sections are in play? They're just negotiating. When I go to buy a new vehicle, I don't start out at the highest amount I'm willing to pay. I low ball and go from there.

Next question people will ask is why aren't we seeking mediation or picketing? Well for starters, we have a good amount of negotiating meetings on the books right now. Add in a mediators schedule and that dwindles because you have to find times suitable to three different parties, not two. So we want to knock out what we can in direct negotiations prior to seeking mediation for what we would then know are the sections or subsections we are not making progress in direct negotiations. As far as picketing, the mediators would not look fondly on our group picketing while progress is being made in direct negotiations. The MEC and NC have a plan. Have some patience - I know it's tough and we've had a union for two years now, but we will get there. We're not amending a contract, we're starting from scratch.

And now here's where you'll call me a blue juicer and company apologist and go on some tirade about how I don't get it.