Originally Posted by Chrisx2

Every post I've seen from you has been attacking someone else. Nobody here is debating that we're underpaid compared to industry standard. Everybody wants a contract now. The fact is that the NC is in direct negotiations and progress is being made, albeit slower than we all would prefer. The company made a low ball offer on compensation (according to the union blast) but that's not the last best final offer. It's a starting point. We still have open sections that are being negotiated. Why would they give the farm away in compensation while the real tough scheduling sections are in play? They're just negotiating. When I go to buy a new vehicle, I don't start out at the highest amount I'm willing to pay. I low ball and go from there.

Next question people will ask is why aren't we seeking mediation or picketing? Well for starters, we have a good amount of negotiating meetings on the books right now. Add in a mediators schedule and that dwindles because you have to find times suitable to three different parties, not two. So we want to knock out what we can in direct negotiations prior to seeking mediation for what we would then know are the sections or subsections we are not making progress in direct negotiations. As far as picketing, the mediators would not look fondly on our group picketing while progress is being made in direct negotiations. The MEC and NC have a plan. Have some patience - I know it's tough and we've had a union for two years now, but we will get there. We're not amending a contract, we're starting from scratch.

And now here's where you'll call me a blue juicer and company apologist and go on some tirade about how I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Chrisx2

Every post I've seen from you has been attacking someone else. Nobody here is debating that we're underpaid compared to industry standard. Everybody wants a contract now. The fact is that the NC is in direct negotiations and progress is being made, albeit slower than we all would prefer. The company made a low ball offer on compensation (according to the union blast) but that's not the last best final offer. It's a starting point. We still have open sections that are being negotiated. Why would they give the farm away in compensation while the real tough scheduling sections are in play? They're just negotiating. When I go to buy a new vehicle, I don't start out at the highest amount I'm willing to pay. I low ball and go from there.

Next question people will ask is why aren't we seeking mediation or picketing? Well for starters, we have a good amount of negotiating meetings on the books right now. Add in a mediators schedule and that dwindles because you have to find times suitable to three different parties, not two. So we want to knock out what we can in direct negotiations prior to seeking mediation for what we would then know are the sections or subsections we are not making progress in direct negotiations. As far as picketing, the mediators would not look fondly on our group picketing while progress is being made in direct negotiations. The MEC and NC have a plan. Have some patience - I know it's tough and we've had a union for two years now, but we will get there. We're not amending a contract, we're starting from scratch.

And now here's where you'll call me a blue juicer and company apologist and go on some tirade about how I don't get it.

Originally Posted by Chrisx2

Every post I've seen from you has been attacking someone else. Nobody here is debating that we're underpaid compared to industry standard. Everybody wants a contract now. The fact is that the NC is in direct negotiations and progress is being made, albeit slower than we all would prefer. The company made a low ball offer on compensation (according to the union blast) but that's not the last best final offer. It's a starting point. We still have open sections that are being negotiated. Why would they give the farm away in compensation while the real tough scheduling sections are in play? They're just negotiating. When I go to buy a new vehicle, I don't start out at the highest amount I'm willing to pay. I low ball and go from there.

Next question people will ask is why aren't we seeking mediation or picketing? Well for starters, we have a good amount of negotiating meetings on the books right now. Add in a mediators schedule and that dwindles because you have to find times suitable to three different parties, not two. So we want to knock out what we can in direct negotiations prior to seeking mediation for what we would then know are the sections or subsections we are not making progress in direct negotiations. As far as picketing, the mediators would not look fondly on our group picketing while progress is being made in direct negotiations. The MEC and NC have a plan. Have some patience - I know it's tough and we've had a union for two years now, but we will get there. We're not amending a contract, we're starting from scratch.

And now here's where you'll call me a blue juicer and company apologist and go on some tirade about how I don't get it.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

Well said.

Great post.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

It's really not a great post. My only point has been this is not the time or place to help management recruit pilots in any way. Nothing more, nothing less.

How does this post even really address that? This isn't the time to paint a hopeful picture of JetBlue, it doesn't help us. But some of you guys can't help yourself. You can think whatever you want, but why say it publicly?

I think many of you just can't stand the thought of your former co-workers who went to United and Delta to know we are so far behind!

I think I finally understand why so many guys think our pilots are so F-ed up.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver

It's really not a great post. My only point has been this is not the time or place to help management recruit pilots in any way. Nothing more, nothing less.

How does this post even really address that? This isn't the time to paint a hopeful picture of JetBlue, it doesn't help us. But some of you guys can't help yourself. You can think whatever you want, but why say it publicly?

I think many of you just can't stand the thought of your former co-workers who went to United and Delta to know we are so far behind!

I think I finally understand why so many guys think our pilots are so F-ed up.

Originally Posted by pilotpayne

You seem to have a really hard time with different opinions. The funny thing is those guys agree with you but not at the exact level of let's say rage that you have.

In MY OPINION it was a great post.
In MY OPINION you are coming off like a jerk.

Originally Posted by BeatNavy

I'm guessing by his question about BOS reserve he doesn't work here but is curious as a potential future blue pilot.

Originally Posted by CaptCoolHand

This thread is like having a conversation with my 4yr old.