I can't recommend JetBlue at this time
12-18-2016 | 08:26 AM
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$50 per year is not a few hundred dollars. And if you are dumpster diving in uniform in front of the passengers, you are a major part of the problem.
To prospective applicants: this is the type of thinking that is the reason we don't have a competitive CBA at JetBlue. Apply elsewhere, where your fellow pilots will respect their profession.
To prospective applicants: this is the type of thinking that is the reason we don't have a competitive CBA at JetBlue. Apply elsewhere, where your fellow pilots will respect their profession.
Did you actually read my post? Did I say cleaning in uniform? And it's $50 per person, up to $250. At least, it was several years ago when I had Delta flight benefits.
My thinking has no bearing on the CBA. I'm a dues paying member in good standing, and I fully support the NC.
The company can set its policy on pass privileges. They have required cleaning when using non-rev benefits. That's their prerogative. You don't have to non-rev on company if you don't like it.
12-18-2016 | 08:37 AM
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$50 total, for all eligible dependents for a year.. I've had DL benefits since '08, and I've never seen a per person charge.
12-18-2016 | 08:43 AM
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Besides the fact that they now bored without the crew even authorizing it. I have had 2 instances recently where captains were put in an unnecessary high pressure situation to get the airplane out by MX and dispatch. I won't go into details on a public forum but they were completely unnecessary situation. I was just shocked to see the captains have to push back so much. Never seen that in 9 years at a regional.
12-18-2016 | 08:49 AM
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While I agree with you for the most part , I will say that I'd still recommend JB to people at the regionals.
I have been here for just over a year now and like many others came here from a dying regional, senior FOs and CAs bouncing out to other regionals.. that bad.
are we underpaid ? Yes. Are our benefits and work rules less superior to the big 4 ? Sure. But that's why we voted in a union so we can finally get a contract that's on par with the rest of the industry. Obviously a contract isn't gonna happen overnight and I dont want it to, I rather wait longer than have the union throw crap TAs our way that will just get rejected .
But even with all the crap the company pulls I still think this isn't a bad place to be, whether you are hanging hat here or waiting on a call from the legacys. Do I have my stuff in with the other guys , yes. But updating my app every few months is about the most of amount of effort I'm gonna put in. And trust me, I really do applaud the guys that put way more effort in by going to job fairs or networking more, but I just don't have the time or the urge too.
This place will get better, it's still young company that's trying to figure stuff out. While it might be a long and annoying journey to make this place a legit contender amongst the other companies , it still beats sitting around at regional where all it takes is for a CEO of one of the legacys to come up with a great idea to give away your flying to another regional because you are too expensive .
Obviously this is just my own opinion.
I have been here for just over a year now and like many others came here from a dying regional, senior FOs and CAs bouncing out to other regionals.. that bad.
are we underpaid ? Yes. Are our benefits and work rules less superior to the big 4 ? Sure. But that's why we voted in a union so we can finally get a contract that's on par with the rest of the industry. Obviously a contract isn't gonna happen overnight and I dont want it to, I rather wait longer than have the union throw crap TAs our way that will just get rejected .
But even with all the crap the company pulls I still think this isn't a bad place to be, whether you are hanging hat here or waiting on a call from the legacys. Do I have my stuff in with the other guys , yes. But updating my app every few months is about the most of amount of effort I'm gonna put in. And trust me, I really do applaud the guys that put way more effort in by going to job fairs or networking more, but I just don't have the time or the urge too.
This place will get better, it's still young company that's trying to figure stuff out. While it might be a long and annoying journey to make this place a legit contender amongst the other companies , it still beats sitting around at regional where all it takes is for a CEO of one of the legacys to come up with a great idea to give away your flying to another regional because you are too expensive .
Obviously this is just my own opinion.
Yes it is DEFINATELY better than most regionals. But we have seen some serious erosion in the past 6 months of our QOL. maybe it is negotiations "posturing" by the company. Or maybe it's a way of saving the costs they KNOW will come down the road.
Being treated like a child reporting to work to solve a problem that could have been fixed by punishing the repeat offenders
"Fixing" our OTP without consulting the experts on how to move an airplane......the frikkin PILOTS. Systems designed by interns sitting in cubicles.
PCI/PCO I GUARANTEE you will rue the day they implemented PCI. But mostly PCO. Don't feel like being extended? Think you are a line holder? NOT ANYMORE. You just wait for the shytshow this winter
And the last opportunity to show SOME INKLING of respect for our contribution a sub standard lowball compensation opener. Yeah, I know, I know standard negotiations 101.......but it shows how little they think of us cogs. I.e... "We are ALL the same"
This place is just plain old weird
12-18-2016 | 08:52 AM
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I'll go out on a limb and say he's talking about his Regional that operated for Delta. Real Delta employees are subject to different i.e. better rules. Don't bring the beaten regional pilot attitude with you to a "major" airline, have some GD self respect. This group needs to wake up before we end up deeper in the ditch.
12-18-2016 | 08:59 AM
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They need to call the number on the orange card. That needs to go to our Central Air Safety Committee. The call to ALPA national gets filtered to one of our guys.
12-18-2016 | 10:39 AM
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I've said it before in another thread, but I'll add to what Coopervane said. I came to JB with really high expectations and for the longest time JB was the only place where I wanted to work and it took a lot of hard work and time for me to get hired here. It has been a real disappointment and not what I expected. Of course JB is better than a regional, but not by much. Besides the higher paycheck, everything else is about the same than my last regional, in some cases JB is worse in some areas (hotel locations, health insurance, work rules). This place needs a CBA now, and we could have one already if ALPA would have been on property two years ago!
12-18-2016 | 10:51 AM
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Me too. I'm conflicted. The jury is still out for me. Do I dislike it here? No. Could it be better? Sure. To what degree, who knows. But it could also be better elsewhere. Unless you're running your own company, it's still going to work and there's no perfect company. Personally I don't want to be number 12,000 on a seniority list. I've been burned on career moves and I'm very cautious. I sense a repeal of the 1500 hr ATP, age 67, and an economic downturn. I guess it's gambling. Roll the dice and try for a legacy for more pay or relish the two year buffer I have here. I know too much about statistics, psychology, and human nature for my own good. I consider risk over reward. Again, just me.
12-18-2016 | 11:10 AM
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12-18-2016 | 11:14 AM
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I agree with the original posts point. Let's make this place great. Let's not cave into a crap CBA. Let's not be treated less than we are worth.
Lets be fair the applicants that have JB as their #1 as I did, because they may live in a domicile and don't want to fly 5 legs a day in an md88 or 737.
Grass isn't always greener.
I'll take the free uniform over having to pay close to $1000 for a descent one.
I'll cross seat belts when I nonrev because I'll more than likely not be #46 on the standby list for a flight that's oversold buy 20. I'm crossing seat belts, if I have time, to help the inflight because I care more about them than I do screwing managment.
I'm really happy here for now and what the future holds. A new CBA will change my views for sure. I won't complain if it's bad, I'll just leave. If it's great I'll be super pumped and hope to retire from a company called JetBlue Airways.
Negotiations suck, I'm optimistic the majority of our pilot group is strong willed and we just doesn't complain in droves on APC like the regional forums do.
Lets be fair the applicants that have JB as their #1 as I did, because they may live in a domicile and don't want to fly 5 legs a day in an md88 or 737.
Grass isn't always greener.
I'll take the free uniform over having to pay close to $1000 for a descent one.
I'll cross seat belts when I nonrev because I'll more than likely not be #46 on the standby list for a flight that's oversold buy 20. I'm crossing seat belts, if I have time, to help the inflight because I care more about them than I do screwing managment.
I'm really happy here for now and what the future holds. A new CBA will change my views for sure. I won't complain if it's bad, I'll just leave. If it's great I'll be super pumped and hope to retire from a company called JetBlue Airways.
Negotiations suck, I'm optimistic the majority of our pilot group is strong willed and we just doesn't complain in droves on APC like the regional forums do.
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