I can't recommend JetBlue at this time
#451
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Posts: 988
#452
#457
"I'll ask you your question in reverse. Why isn't JB management negotiating more like Spirit and Frontier? By all accounts, we are making significantly more progress with much more to accomplish than they do."
BunkF16.
Your words- Direct comparison of the behavior of B6 and Sp/Fr.
Go back and read it.
Not a big deal, I just think we shouldnt be in the same sentence as those airlines- Supposedly, we are a special culture with a "people first" mantra.-- At least thats what the company expects of us.
BunkF16.
Your words- Direct comparison of the behavior of B6 and Sp/Fr.
Go back and read it.
Not a big deal, I just think we shouldnt be in the same sentence as those airlines- Supposedly, we are a special culture with a "people first" mantra.-- At least thats what the company expects of us.
I guess we should count our lucky stars that we don't work at FoxConn making iPhones (with suicide nets and all). Glad JB doesn't have work rules like that! On second thought, I don't think we should beg for pigeon droppings. I wonder if a medical doctor will tolerate 3+ years of negotiations? Why do these companies assume they can treat us differently than M.D.s?
Maybe what we should do is demand dramatic reductions of CEO pay. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be a corporate executive or CEO. So why do they get paid so much? I'm aware that boards believe they cannot get good "talent" without cushy paychecks and golden parachutes but I don't accept it. I don't accept it because *anyone* could be thrown into a CEO or executive position and they may do no better or worse than the CEO/executive stereotype. Where is the evidence that these career golden-parachuters are actually worth the money they demand?
On the other hand, we have to demonstrate our responsibility to 150+ lives every flight. Who is taking 10 years off their lives from exposure to radiation, non-circadian sleep patterns, neurotoxins such as tricresal phosphate, and various exotic diseases, bacteria, and viruses just from being around so many people?
#458
On Reserve
Joined APC: Dec 2009
Posts: 12
Jet airplane travel is safe for infrequent fl
I'm not responding directly to whomever said this but...
I guess we should count our lucky stars that we don't work at FoxConn making iPhones (with suicide nets and all). Glad JB doesn't have work rules like that! On second thought, I don't think we should beg for pigeon droppings. I wonder if a medical doctor will tolerate 3+ years of negotiations? Why do these companies assume they can treat us differently than M.D.s?
Maybe what we should do is demand dramatic reductions of CEO pay. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be a corporate executive or CEO. So why do they get paid so much? I'm aware that boards believe they cannot get good "talent" without cushy paychecks and golden parachutes but I don't accept it. I don't accept it because *anyone* could be thrown into a CEO or executive position and they may do no better or worse than the CEO/executive stereotype. Where is the evidence that these career golden-parachuters are actually worth the money they demand?
On the other hand, we have to demonstrate our responsibility to 150+ lives every flight. Who is taking 10 years off their lives from exposure to radiation, non-circadian sleep patterns, neurotoxins such as tricresal phosphate, and various exotic diseases, bacteria, and viruses just from being around so many people?
I guess we should count our lucky stars that we don't work at FoxConn making iPhones (with suicide nets and all). Glad JB doesn't have work rules like that! On second thought, I don't think we should beg for pigeon droppings. I wonder if a medical doctor will tolerate 3+ years of negotiations? Why do these companies assume they can treat us differently than M.D.s?
Maybe what we should do is demand dramatic reductions of CEO pay. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be a corporate executive or CEO. So why do they get paid so much? I'm aware that boards believe they cannot get good "talent" without cushy paychecks and golden parachutes but I don't accept it. I don't accept it because *anyone* could be thrown into a CEO or executive position and they may do no better or worse than the CEO/executive stereotype. Where is the evidence that these career golden-parachuters are actually worth the money they demand?
On the other hand, we have to demonstrate our responsibility to 150+ lives every flight. Who is taking 10 years off their lives from exposure to radiation, non-circadian sleep patterns, neurotoxins such as tricresal phosphate, and various exotic diseases, bacteria, and viruses just from being around so many people?
From National Center for Biotechnology Information. This is one paragraph from the report at Exposure to tri-o-cresyl phosphate detected in jet airplane passengers
Jet airplane travel is safe for infrequent flyers
Half of the blood samples from the jet airplane travelers that we tested had detectable levels of phosphorylated butyrylcholinesterase, which means these passengers were exposed to tri-ortho-cresyl phosphate. The adduct levels were very low and no toxic symptoms were observed for any individual in our study group. None of our travelers reported a “fume event” in the airplane where release of engine oil into the bleed air could be detected. We were able to obtain a second blood sample from four individuals who tested positive, 3 to 7 months after their flights. The second samples were negative for phosphorylated butyrylcholinesterase. It follows that jet airplane travel is generally safe for the infrequent flyer. However, we suggest that pilots and aircrew are frequently exposed to small doses of tri-o-cresyl phosphate when they fly. Turnover of butyrylcholinesterase in the blood has a half-life of about 12 days. It follows that phosphorylated butyrylcholinesterase would accumulate in their blood. Adducts of any other proteins/enzymes that react with CBDP would likewise accumulate. Such accumulations would be compounded if individuals were to experience a “fume event” where they would be exposed to a large dose of tri-o-cresyl phosphate. The US commercial fleet is estimated to have 0.86 “fume events” per day (Murawski and Supplee, 2008). It is expected that pilots and aircrew will have significantly higher levels of butyrylcholinesterase adducts than the passengers in our study group.
#459
New Hire
Joined APC: May 2017
Posts: 2
This post is for all the prospective new hires. I have been here for just about one year. For perspective, I live in base and hold a line. I am the kind of pilot they are looking to hire here (i.e., clean record, college degrees, local to a base, etc.). I barely made it one year before resigning to work for another airline. I gave up a one hour drive to commute by plane for the rest of my career. That should speak volumes to you. Is this a good company to come to for a new type rating while you build your resume and log more flight time? Absolutely. The pilots you will fly with are generally great guys and gals. Is this a career airline? Sorry, no. I came here with high hopes and thought I'd be here for good. However, I was discouraged with the whole operation- the lack of respect for the pilots, the lack of retirements and movement, the low pay, etc. I started updating my apps within 6 months of my hire date. If you have any length of time left in your career and/or have a family to support (pay and medical) I would strongly urge that you wait for the legacy airline or the purple or brown guys to call you first. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat. Also, I should say I'm a regular APC poster but I'm using this account to preserve anonymity. Good luck to all the blue pilots here. I hope you get the contract that will make you happy!
#460
The REAL Bluedriver
Joined APC: Sep 2011
Position: Airbus Capt
Posts: 6,881
This post is for all the prospective new hires. I have been here for just about one year. For perspective, I live in base and hold a line. I am the kind of pilot they are looking to hire here (i.e., clean record, college degrees, local to a base, etc.). I barely made it one year before resigning to work for another airline. I gave up a one hour drive to commute by plane for the rest of my career. That should speak volumes to you. Is this a good company to come to for a new type rating while you build your resume and log more flight time? Absolutely. The pilots you will fly with are generally great guys and gals. Is this a career airline? Sorry, no. I came here with high hopes and thought I'd be here for good. However, I was discouraged with the whole operation- the lack of respect for the pilots, the lack of retirements and movement, the low pay, etc. I started updating my apps within 6 months of my hire date. If you have any length of time left in your career and/or have a family to support (pay and medical) I would strongly urge that you wait for the legacy airline or the purple or brown guys to call you first. Feel free to PM me if you'd like to chat. Also, I should say I'm a regular APC poster but I'm using this account to preserve anonymity. Good luck to all the blue pilots here. I hope you get the contract that will make you happy!
That said, congratulations, you almost certainly made the right decision with the information you have right now, which is all you can do.
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