Jetblue and United comparison
01-18-2017 | 06:41 AM
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Not defending WhiteHammer but who's to say you're not doing the exact same thing? Sure you can say today that being a United pilot is superior to being a JetBlue pilot but could you say that even 5 years ago? 10 years ago? No. You or I don't know what the future brings to either pilot group. We're far behind the United contract yes. But we're still negotiating our first contract in the history of our airline. We've always had a steep hill to climb. We're only part of the way there too. We've still got a long road ahead of us. Patience is very important right now. We cannot have pilots, especially JetBlue pilots, arguing with each other. We need to remain "United" and push for the contract we deserve.
I guess it's a free country.
Yes yes yet another thread about how much JetBlue sucks just what we need
01-18-2017 | 07:40 AM
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I always wonder why United guys are bothering with a JetBlue thread....it's not like they are coming here. That's like me going to my old regional forum and giving those guys a hard time.
I guess it's a free country.
Yes yes yet another thread about how much JetBlue sucks just what we need
I guess it's a free country.
Yes yes yet another thread about how much JetBlue sucks just what we need
01-18-2017 | 07:45 AM
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I always wonder why United guys are bothering with a JetBlue thread....it's not like they are coming here. That's like me going to my old regional forum and giving those guys a hard time.
I guess it's a free country.
Yes yes yet another thread about how much JetBlue sucks just what we need
I guess it's a free country.
Yes yes yet another thread about how much JetBlue sucks just what we need
01-18-2017 | 08:18 AM
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01-18-2017 | 08:24 AM
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Not defending WhiteHammer but who's to say you're not doing the exact same thing? Sure you can say today that being a United pilot is superior to being a JetBlue pilot but could you say that even 5 years ago? 10 years ago? No. You or I don't know what the future brings to either pilot group. We're far behind the United contract yes. But we're still negotiating our first contract in the history of our airline. We've always had a steep hill to climb. We're only part of the way there too. We've still got a long road ahead of us. Patience is very important right now. We cannot have pilots, especially JetBlue pilots, arguing with each other. We need to remain "United" and push for the contract we deserve.
What some guys don't understand is, it wasn't that long ago that a L-UAL widebody CA/FO that's maxed out made LESS than an JB 190 CA/FO makes now.
And while UAL/CAL were busy with the merger, DAL was light years ahead of them. It's called "pattern bargaining", many don't seem to understand the concept.....
01-18-2017 | 10:25 AM
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Pretty much.
What some guys don't understand is, it wasn't that long ago that a L-UAL widebody CA/FO that's maxed out made LESS than an JB 190 CA/FO makes now.
And while UAL/CAL were busy with the merger, DAL was light years ahead of them. It's called "pattern bargaining", many don't seem to understand the concept.....
What some guys don't understand is, it wasn't that long ago that a L-UAL widebody CA/FO that's maxed out made LESS than an JB 190 CA/FO makes now.
And while UAL/CAL were busy with the merger, DAL was light years ahead of them. It's called "pattern bargaining", many don't seem to understand the concept.....
01-18-2017 | 11:06 AM
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Pretty much.
What some guys don't understand is, it wasn't that long ago that a L-UAL widebody CA/FO that's maxed out made LESS than an JB 190 CA/FO makes now.
And while UAL/CAL were busy with the merger, DAL was light years ahead of them. It's called "pattern bargaining", many don't seem to understand the concept.....
What some guys don't understand is, it wasn't that long ago that a L-UAL widebody CA/FO that's maxed out made LESS than an JB 190 CA/FO makes now.
And while UAL/CAL were busy with the merger, DAL was light years ahead of them. It's called "pattern bargaining", many don't seem to understand the concept.....
01-18-2017 | 12:45 PM
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But if you got em, throw up the old/pre current PEA rates and you can see how not even they sucked (that bad) compared to L-UAL's BK rates.
01-18-2017 | 04:02 PM
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You sir win the prize...well said... I actually hope you guys get a contract that is far superior to ours and move the bar much higher. But what I see and hear troubles me... your management has no intention of giving up anything and your pilot force has never been in a protracted contract war. This is your first war. You get an 8% raise and give up 5% in profit sharing...Your success or failure will effect us all. Piloting should be a fixed cost but management always tries to make it a variable one...a race to the bottom. I threw grenades at our pilot force and Alpa when we needed them...I rode Southwest pilots hard until they got a good contract...You are ground zero now...I bust your balls because your fate is our fate...
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