pilotpayne

I don't know I feel like the United guys coming on here is like telling the fat dude at the gym(who is working to get in shape) he is still fat. I just don't see how it helps. They also seem to act like the last 10 years there were amazing.

That's what gets me.

BlueJetDork

He is correct. BlueJet could have contract language drafted between ALPA and the companies legal and F and H team in matter of days.

What we get paid to DH, times of service, health care, retirement rigs, scope is NOT THAT COMPLICATED. What is complicated is the fact that we are $400 million behind our peers in base pay and staffing and Jetblue prepared dance to appear to be acting in Good Faith.

The days added in March will only lead to us starting mediation a few weeks earlier than before and then Jetblue can simply say the process is working.

It will be well into 2020 before we see an AIP between Bluejet and ALPA.

BlueJetDork

UALPA held the line as best as they could though the worst of terror acts and a financial Armageddon.

Jetblue pilots laughed at them for paying dues because we had the DR and rates similar to theirs BUT nothing else ... just rates.

We are the problem not UALPA.

Oh ... but know we have ALPA so that first 16 years of thumbing our nose at what UALPA and others built so we could hop the fence the middle of the night and say: 'we are peer set industry average'.

Our peers were were not UAL, DAL, SWA, AA, AWA Alaska etc our were non union carriers like Allegiant and Skybus and then VA. But we used their CBAs and then thumbed our noses at them for their hard work and dues and suffering.

John Carr

Mostly. Concession round 2/70 seat giveaway was a total goat rope for UALALPA.

They REALLY REALLY should have read the fine print on that one as well as held the NC reps accountable for what they did.

pilotpayne

Yeah yeah yeah
Jetblew sucks it's all our fault.
Maybe we should all just walk around like this?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=YgYEuJ5u1K0

BlueJetDork

Nope
Just stop pointing a finger at others because there are three pointing back.

pilotpayne

If we were in the THE UNITED thread you would have a point but we are in the JetBlue thread.

Did you know JetBlue was the oh what did you call us "bottom feeding" airline when you applied, interviewed and took a job here?

jetblue is not the only problem in the industry. Jon Carr just pointed that out to you but I am sure you will ignore it and tell us they did everything they could. Someone tells you about Alaska and parts of their contact that are bad and you are like so. SWA would make you pay for a type so. Cal wouldn't give you healthcare for the first 6 months so. How about B scales and on and on and on.

The point is that is all history as you will tell me. What is also history is the DR. We are moving toward a contract(I know not fast enough for you) but the everything is JetBlue and the JetBlue pilots fault is amazing.

BlueJetDork

I have read Alaska's contract.

The frame work is solid. It needs a few tweaks to bring the money parts up to market rates.

The health structure is something we attempted to model for some time. The LTD section is something we have attempted to model for some time. Their retirement structure is something we have attempt to model. The vacation structure is something we have attempted to model and so on.

Payne you need to stop getting your facts from bulletin boards and actually read the item you are attempting to diminish based upon another internet posters post. Alaska is indeed a peer. Their rates and percentages will be adjusted but make no mistake most other sections would be a tremendous benefit to bluejet pilots.

You are reading the wrong source material junior.

John Carr

What's the scope section look like?

pilotpayne

You need to read what I said senior.
Where did I say Alaska was not a peer? Where did I diminish what Alaska has? Yeah they have a great CBA with lots of good stuff but also large holes, go ask the Alaska guys. It's not bashing to tell the truth. I would love parts of their CBA along with SWA or United or American or even some work rules that Spirit has. I have looked at some of the CBAs do you think you are the only one that can see these things.


Our guys are working on exactly what you are talking about.


But I know we are going to go round and round so I'll just skip ahead.

Ready

JETBLEW sucks

Almost everyone else does not

There that will save us time