Kalitta Air (K4) Information
02-24-2024, 07:42 PM
#4331
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Originally Posted by basiskeyboard
As I understand it, I am only restricted from PIC duties because I do not meet ICAO requirements for that. I’ve done many Mexico/Canada trips under part 121 with a restricted atp acting as SIC. Does this have to do with augmented operations? I am not familiar.
02-25-2024, 05:32 PM
#4332
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Originally Posted by basiskeyboard
As I understand it, I am only restricted from PIC duties because I do not meet ICAO requirements for that. I’ve done many Mexico/Canada trips under part 121 with a restricted atp acting as SIC. Does this have to do with augmented operations? I am not familiar.
02-29-2024, 05:24 AM
#4333
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Originally Posted by anthony210
K4 flies almost 100% with augmented crew (3 or 4 pilots). Each pilot on an augmented crew needs to be PIC qualified as there is “usually” only 1 Captain and 2-3 FOs. When it’s the CAs turn for a break one of the FOs will be designated PIC until the CA returns. You cannot serve as PIC with an R-ATP.
02-29-2024, 09:41 AM
#4334
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Originally Posted by Cujo665
they're never actually PIC. They are left in charge by the PIC while he/she is out of the cockpit, but they are still acting as SIC.
03-02-2024, 09:32 PM
#4338
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Joined APC: Nov 2015
Posts: 81
Originally Posted by Cujo665
they're never actually PIC. They are left in charge by the PIC while he/she is out of the cockpit, but they are still acting as SIC.
Originally Posted by FAR 61.167(b)
Limitations. A person who holds an airline transport pilot certificate and has not satisfied the age requirement of § 61.153(a)(1) and the aeronautical experience requirements of § 61.159 may not:
(1) Act as pilot in command in operations conducted under part 121, § 91.1053(a)(2)(i), or § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or
(2)Serve as second in command in flag or supplemental operations in part 121 of this chapter requiring three or more pilots.
(1) Act as pilot in command in operations conducted under part 121, § 91.1053(a)(2)(i), or § 135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or
(2)Serve as second in command in flag or supplemental operations in part 121 of this chapter requiring three or more pilots.
03-30-2024, 10:48 AM
#4339
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Joined APC: Apr 2019
Position: Seat 1 thru 4
Posts: 55
Thanks to whoever updated the Kalitta Air profile. Here are just a few more details for potential employees.
1. Sick accrual is sub-par. And if you call out sick day 1, your monthly bid award will be reduced to 64 hrs. So it is possible to bid and be awarded a 14 day 84 hr. line. You will loose 20 hrs. of pay for calling out sick for day 1. Even if you report for duty on day 2 of your bid award.
2. If you call out sick in the middle of your tour and you are above minimum monthly guarantee (64 hrs.) you will be charged a 4 hr. administrative fee.
4 X $117.00 = $468.00
3. You owe the company 16 days a month according to crew resources and management. So on your vacation month you bid 2 weeks, 14 days. You will be required to work the "owed" 2 more days. Or if you bid 7 days at a time in two different months you will be required to work the other 9 days. Point being you are not eligible to bid a ghost work schedule that, with seniority may be a 12,13,14,15,16 day line. And only owe what would have been awarded to you based on your seniority bid.
4. Our pay protection and work rules are typical ACMI, (not even good) OK at best. Here you can be scheduled KJFK - RKSI and CR can put you on a KJFK - KOSC. that's a loss of about 12 hrs. of pay credit. It's sad how much power crew resources has over how much money you earn and your quality of life at work.
5. There is no soft pay here at K4. You will earn every penny in your paycheck. No override pay, no profit sharing, no bonuses. 12% DC is better, but in no way industry standard.
6. 50% deadhead pay. Another example of CR having way to much power over your earning potential. You may be scheduled to operate KJFK - RKSI and now they want you to deadhead. Your 15 hr. pay credit just got cut in half.
7. Long term disability and short term disability are well below any industry standard. And 0 loss of medical insurance.
I'm sure there are several other things I am not mentioning and some here will criticize me for pointing out the short comings of working here. And others who will have several things to add to the improvements list.
1. Sick accrual is sub-par. And if you call out sick day 1, your monthly bid award will be reduced to 64 hrs. So it is possible to bid and be awarded a 14 day 84 hr. line. You will loose 20 hrs. of pay for calling out sick for day 1. Even if you report for duty on day 2 of your bid award.
2. If you call out sick in the middle of your tour and you are above minimum monthly guarantee (64 hrs.) you will be charged a 4 hr. administrative fee.
4 X $117.00 = $468.00
3. You owe the company 16 days a month according to crew resources and management. So on your vacation month you bid 2 weeks, 14 days. You will be required to work the "owed" 2 more days. Or if you bid 7 days at a time in two different months you will be required to work the other 9 days. Point being you are not eligible to bid a ghost work schedule that, with seniority may be a 12,13,14,15,16 day line. And only owe what would have been awarded to you based on your seniority bid.
4. Our pay protection and work rules are typical ACMI, (not even good) OK at best. Here you can be scheduled KJFK - RKSI and CR can put you on a KJFK - KOSC. that's a loss of about 12 hrs. of pay credit. It's sad how much power crew resources has over how much money you earn and your quality of life at work.
5. There is no soft pay here at K4. You will earn every penny in your paycheck. No override pay, no profit sharing, no bonuses. 12% DC is better, but in no way industry standard.
6. 50% deadhead pay. Another example of CR having way to much power over your earning potential. You may be scheduled to operate KJFK - RKSI and now they want you to deadhead. Your 15 hr. pay credit just got cut in half.
7. Long term disability and short term disability are well below any industry standard. And 0 loss of medical insurance.
I'm sure there are several other things I am not mentioning and some here will criticize me for pointing out the short comings of working here. And others who will have several things to add to the improvements list.
03-30-2024, 08:49 PM
#4340
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Joined APC: May 2013
Position: No Hats No Jackets No PAX
Posts: 1,504
Well done shedding light on certain situations. It is up to us to reveal the shortcomings for those interested in our outfits. I had heard about the administrative sick fee and vacation deficit and didn't believe it the first time. Seeing it written down is like a brick to the head. Still spinning about the admin fee - Wow! Especially if that fee is based upon your pay rate just imagine that for a minute with higher rates! Thanks again for the additional issues that need to be resolved.
*For those awaiting for OE enjoy the amazing time off as it's a one off normally and a great opportunity in the ACMI world - very cool. Is it the normal training backlog/available check flyers like most places at times or overstaffing/low demand?
Hope ya'll gain greater compensation, benefits and flexibility in the future.
*For those awaiting for OE enjoy the amazing time off as it's a one off normally and a great opportunity in the ACMI world - very cool. Is it the normal training backlog/available check flyers like most places at times or overstaffing/low demand?
Hope ya'll gain greater compensation, benefits and flexibility in the future.
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