Kalitta Air now accepting FO applications
08-18-2016, 08:21 AM
#1952
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: 744 ;1A
Posts: 136
The 24 hour duty day does not and will not affect any of the DHL trips.
Having a reduction from 30 hours to 24 hours of Duty is a big step in the right direction. The 24 hour duty days would only affect the weird odd charters from the military or other Gov't entities. Remember, thats only for Double Crew trips. We get to sleep!!!
Contract language could very easily prevent any DHL trip going that far.
As far as lowering the limit even further to 20 hours, that would most likely increase the commercial deadhead segments which most of us deplore.
Someone made a comment about our new rules should mirror the pax carriers and Purple and Brown. Well, NO, they shouldn't. We run in different circles, have different types of trips. I do agree that we need new rules for flight and duty times, but this crap that DW is pushing for same rules for all does not fit our sector of the industry at all! If you want the same rules as the PAX carriers and Purple and Brown, I hear they are hiring. I have been in this cargo business for 30 years. A 24 hour duty day for a double crew is not unreasonable if we get to sleep for some it. That extra 4 hours is enough for us to get the hell out of a very undesirable place that we would otherwise have to overnight in.
Thats my 2 rupee rant.
Having a reduction from 30 hours to 24 hours of Duty is a big step in the right direction. The 24 hour duty days would only affect the weird odd charters from the military or other Gov't entities. Remember, thats only for Double Crew trips. We get to sleep!!!
Contract language could very easily prevent any DHL trip going that far.
As far as lowering the limit even further to 20 hours, that would most likely increase the commercial deadhead segments which most of us deplore.
Someone made a comment about our new rules should mirror the pax carriers and Purple and Brown. Well, NO, they shouldn't. We run in different circles, have different types of trips. I do agree that we need new rules for flight and duty times, but this crap that DW is pushing for same rules for all does not fit our sector of the industry at all! If you want the same rules as the PAX carriers and Purple and Brown, I hear they are hiring. I have been in this cargo business for 30 years. A 24 hour duty day for a double crew is not unreasonable if we get to sleep for some it. That extra 4 hours is enough for us to get the hell out of a very undesirable place that we would otherwise have to overnight in.
Thats my 2 rupee rant.
08-18-2016, 08:45 AM
#1954
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 585
Originally Posted by LAXative
24 hrs of duty is nuts. My freight carrier's duty limit for augmented int'l ops is only 14 hrs. What do you guys do, live on the jet?
ever seen a Boeing 747 ?
been on the upper deck of a BCF?
I doubt it
08-18-2016, 08:46 AM
#1955
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by Forty5N
The 24 hour duty day does not and will not affect any of the DHL trips.
Having a reduction from 30 hours to 24 hours of Duty is a big step in the right direction. The 24 hour duty days would only affect the weird odd charters from the military or other Gov't entities. Remember, thats only for Double Crew trips. We get to sleep!!!
Contract language could very easily prevent any DHL trip going that far.
As far as lowering the limit even further to 20 hours, that would most likely increase the commercial deadhead segments which most of us deplore.
Someone made a comment about our new rules should mirror the pax carriers and Purple and Brown. Well, NO, they shouldn't. We run in different circles, have different types of trips. I do agree that we need new rules for flight and duty times, but this crap that DW is pushing for same rules for all does not fit our sector of the industry at all! If you want the same rules as the PAX carriers and Purple and Brown, I hear they are hiring. I have been in this cargo business for 30 years. A 24 hour duty day for a double crew is not unreasonable if we get to sleep for some it. That extra 4 hours is enough for us to get the hell out of a very undesirable place that we would otherwise have to overnight in.
Thats my 2 rupee rant.
Having a reduction from 30 hours to 24 hours of Duty is a big step in the right direction. The 24 hour duty days would only affect the weird odd charters from the military or other Gov't entities. Remember, thats only for Double Crew trips. We get to sleep!!!
Contract language could very easily prevent any DHL trip going that far.
As far as lowering the limit even further to 20 hours, that would most likely increase the commercial deadhead segments which most of us deplore.
Someone made a comment about our new rules should mirror the pax carriers and Purple and Brown. Well, NO, they shouldn't. We run in different circles, have different types of trips. I do agree that we need new rules for flight and duty times, but this crap that DW is pushing for same rules for all does not fit our sector of the industry at all! If you want the same rules as the PAX carriers and Purple and Brown, I hear they are hiring. I have been in this cargo business for 30 years. A 24 hour duty day for a double crew is not unreasonable if we get to sleep for some it. That extra 4 hours is enough for us to get the hell out of a very undesirable place that we would otherwise have to overnight in.
Thats my 2 rupee rant.
I too have been in the cargo business for 30yrs and my most "undesirable" place that I can't wait to "get the hell out of" is Wichita.
08-18-2016, 08:47 AM
#1956
Banned
Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by Lockheed
FYI skippy we are not taking 767's here
ever seen a Boeing 747 ?
been on the upper deck of a BCF?
I doubt it
ever seen a Boeing 747 ?
been on the upper deck of a BCF?
I doubt it
08-18-2016, 08:50 AM
#1957
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: B777 CA
Posts: 585
Originally Posted by LAXative
Wanna bet?
then you must also know that there are individual bunks for all and first class seating if you don't like bunks
many of our legs are longer than your duty days
and that's they way WE like it
08-18-2016, 08:53 AM
#1958
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Joined APC: Mar 2016
Posts: 292
Originally Posted by Lockheed
ok fine
then you must also know that there are individual bunks for all and first class seating if you don't like bunks
many of our legs are longer than your duty days
and that's they way WE like it
then you must also know that there are individual bunks for all and first class seating if you don't like bunks
many of our legs are longer than your duty days
and that's they way WE like it
08-18-2016, 09:23 AM
#1959
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Joined APC: Jul 2010
Position: 744 ;1A
Posts: 136
Mr. laxative,
( Stimulating evacuation of the bowels.)
Not everyone is blessed as you are...... How I bow down to thee...
Many of our trips are popup charters. Many of our trips are probably the ones your company can't or won't do. The reason I choose to do this, is, I enjoy it. I don't consider it abuse. I go to places that you probably don't know exist. These experiences probably make me and others, better aviators than you are just by experience alone. I get bored going to the same ole haunts day in and night out.
When there are natural disasters and other world events that pop up, you can bet we are there to help out.
You can take your $300 an hour. You probably need it to buy your friends....
Having to brag about your salary speaks volumes.
( Stimulating evacuation of the bowels.)
Not everyone is blessed as you are...... How I bow down to thee...
Many of our trips are popup charters. Many of our trips are probably the ones your company can't or won't do. The reason I choose to do this, is, I enjoy it. I don't consider it abuse. I go to places that you probably don't know exist. These experiences probably make me and others, better aviators than you are just by experience alone. I get bored going to the same ole haunts day in and night out.
When there are natural disasters and other world events that pop up, you can bet we are there to help out.
You can take your $300 an hour. You probably need it to buy your friends....
Having to brag about your salary speaks volumes.
08-18-2016, 09:29 AM
#1960
VHR-very happily retired
Joined APC: Aug 2007
Position: Retired
Posts: 1,409
Originally Posted by Forty5N
Mr. laxative,
( Stimulating evacuation of the bowels.)
Not everyone is blessed as you are...... How I bow down to thee...
Many of our trips are popup charters. Many of our trips are probably the ones your company can't or won't do. The reason I choose to do this, is, I enjoy it. I don't consider it abuse. I go to places that you probably don't know exist. These experiences probably make me and others, better aviators than you are just by experience alone. I get bored going to the same ole haunts day in and night out.
When there are natural disasters and other world events that pop up, you can bet we are there to help out.
You can take your $300 an hour. You probably need it to buy your friends....
Having to brag about your salary speaks volumes.
( Stimulating evacuation of the bowels.)
Not everyone is blessed as you are...... How I bow down to thee...
Many of our trips are popup charters. Many of our trips are probably the ones your company can't or won't do. The reason I choose to do this, is, I enjoy it. I don't consider it abuse. I go to places that you probably don't know exist. These experiences probably make me and others, better aviators than you are just by experience alone. I get bored going to the same ole haunts day in and night out.
When there are natural disasters and other world events that pop up, you can bet we are there to help out.
You can take your $300 an hour. You probably need it to buy your friends....
Having to brag about your salary speaks volumes.
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