Getting Out?
08-09-2008, 06:05 PM
#112
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
Because this is the "leaving the career" forum and you seem to have found something better than flying. It would be nice for those who come to this forum to see what options are out there.
08-09-2008, 09:45 PM
#113
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 14
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Well it was you who brought it up in this forum. You have your own come worship me web site which you promote at the end of each of your posts, I figured it must be important for you to stand by what you said. I mean hey, it's important to you to brag about your salary, self promote with your own web site, tell the world how cool your job is, why not stand behind what you say? Clearly you're desperate for attention.
For those of us who have been pilots for more than just a little while and for all those worshipers of yours we might wonder how a reserve captain made $308,000. I mean you brought it up on this very forum, why not fess up? Could be a little exaggeration?
I'll bet you a dollar I have you summed up. I bet you carry business cards saying "Captain Joe Blow...UPS" and just love to hand them out to anyone who will take one. You love to introduce yourself as "Captain Joe Blow" to anyone you meet. And you chomp at the bit to talk to all these young pilots so you can feel cool. And I bet you wear that killer brown pilot hat any chance you get. I flew with your type more times than I'd like to remember and it made flying with the real down to earth pilots all the more pleasant and fun.
As for me, it's family care if you're so desperate to know. I have pinched nickels since I was 18 years old come heck or high water and thus can afford the large down payment for this successful business that the folks are retiring from. I'm working a regular schedule, M-F, but the business is there and already I'm making more than the airline. And I'm home every single night with my beautiful kids and beautiful wife. I can coach, I won't miss family events and I'm the boss, it's wonderful. I can't find words to describe how much better things are already.
So come on, what's the real truth with the $308,000 Captain America?
For those of us who have been pilots for more than just a little while and for all those worshipers of yours we might wonder how a reserve captain made $308,000. I mean you brought it up on this very forum, why not fess up? Could be a little exaggeration?
I'll bet you a dollar I have you summed up. I bet you carry business cards saying "Captain Joe Blow...UPS" and just love to hand them out to anyone who will take one. You love to introduce yourself as "Captain Joe Blow" to anyone you meet. And you chomp at the bit to talk to all these young pilots so you can feel cool. And I bet you wear that killer brown pilot hat any chance you get. I flew with your type more times than I'd like to remember and it made flying with the real down to earth pilots all the more pleasant and fun.
As for me, it's family care if you're so desperate to know. I have pinched nickels since I was 18 years old come heck or high water and thus can afford the large down payment for this successful business that the folks are retiring from. I'm working a regular schedule, M-F, but the business is there and already I'm making more than the airline. And I'm home every single night with my beautiful kids and beautiful wife. I can coach, I won't miss family events and I'm the boss, it's wonderful. I can't find words to describe how much better things are already.
So come on, what's the real truth with the $308,000 Captain America?
08-09-2008, 11:10 PM
#114
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 384
It would be nice for those who come to this forum to see what options are out there.
Then again you do have your own signature with a webpage about how we can follow in your footsteps... nothing like self-promotion
08-09-2008, 11:32 PM
#115
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"You have your own come worship me web site which you promote at the end of each of your posts"
As I have said time after time, it's not MY website. I was asked to write an perspectives article for Jetcareers. It's Doug's website. Check it out. jetcareers.com Lots of successful pilots have written about their paths to the career at the home page. There is the occasional misunderstanding about the link where folks criticize. But for each one of those I get five PM's thanking me for telling my story. Sorry it bothers you guys....
"I'll bet you a dollar I have you summed up. I bet you carry business cards saying "Captain Joe Blow...UPS"
You owe me a dollar. My card has a pic of my plane on it and it says "free rides for kids brave enough to ask". Ever heard of the EAA Young Eagles program? Great fun.
"I'm amazed as a moderator you don't realize you come into this forum and criticize the participants for voicing their experiences it was created for."
Criticize? Is that what you call it? I call it debate. You know, that's where you give your opinion and I give mine. For example, Skyhigh has his opinion based on his experience. I have mine based on my experience. You don't want to allow debate just because it's the "leaving the career forum"? I don't think that's what APC is all about.
"Why should he bother since your just going to do your standard criticism of any occupation other than flying"
Family care. Sounds like a possible option for those thinking of leaving the career. I don't know much about it but it might be something worth looking into. Maybe CGdaddy would like to tell APC a bit more about how to leave flying and get into that biz.
Oh, and one more thing. I don't mean to brag about pay. Tony Montana said this:
"Wanna know what makes me feel better? I'm set to make north of 300K this year, and home every night. Come up with something aviation related that can match that-then you'll have some cred w/me- 'till then-"
I was simply answering his question....
As I have said time after time, it's not MY website. I was asked to write an perspectives article for Jetcareers. It's Doug's website. Check it out. jetcareers.com Lots of successful pilots have written about their paths to the career at the home page. There is the occasional misunderstanding about the link where folks criticize. But for each one of those I get five PM's thanking me for telling my story. Sorry it bothers you guys....
"I'll bet you a dollar I have you summed up. I bet you carry business cards saying "Captain Joe Blow...UPS"
You owe me a dollar. My card has a pic of my plane on it and it says "free rides for kids brave enough to ask". Ever heard of the EAA Young Eagles program? Great fun.
"I'm amazed as a moderator you don't realize you come into this forum and criticize the participants for voicing their experiences it was created for."
Criticize? Is that what you call it? I call it debate. You know, that's where you give your opinion and I give mine. For example, Skyhigh has his opinion based on his experience. I have mine based on my experience. You don't want to allow debate just because it's the "leaving the career forum"? I don't think that's what APC is all about.
"Why should he bother since your just going to do your standard criticism of any occupation other than flying"
Family care. Sounds like a possible option for those thinking of leaving the career. I don't know much about it but it might be something worth looking into. Maybe CGdaddy would like to tell APC a bit more about how to leave flying and get into that biz.
Oh, and one more thing. I don't mean to brag about pay. Tony Montana said this:
"Wanna know what makes me feel better? I'm set to make north of 300K this year, and home every night. Come up with something aviation related that can match that-then you'll have some cred w/me- 'till then-"
I was simply answering his question....
08-10-2008, 06:15 AM
#116
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 384
Your killing me with your bad attempt at diplomacy Capt UPS. People posted about the alternate career of becoming police officers in another thread and you called it a "crappy cop" job. You can try to do your play on words all you want on how your just debating. But in the end there are probably plenty of people reading these post and seeing your smoke and mirror play on words dude.
Whatever, keep believing your own hype that your nurturing discussion and doing your job as a moderator in these forums. Anyone and everyone can read between the lines with all your statements. If your so much into debate why not answer CG how you made over $300,000???
You straight out refuse to answer his question on the matter a couple post up and you want to actually make the statement you are trying to debate?
And quoting Tony Montana to validate your statement? C'mon dude this isn't some playpen where he said this, so I said that? Either way TM still had one up on you, he's home every night. For someone with a family and puts them first before flying tin that is priceless...
Whatever, keep believing your own hype that your nurturing discussion and doing your job as a moderator in these forums. Anyone and everyone can read between the lines with all your statements. If your so much into debate why not answer CG how you made over $300,000???
Not really....
And quoting Tony Montana to validate your statement? C'mon dude this isn't some playpen where he said this, so I said that? Either way TM still had one up on you, he's home every night. For someone with a family and puts them first before flying tin that is priceless...
08-10-2008, 09:28 AM
#117
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
My grievance
I felt I was chased (asked to leave) out of the Major and Regional forums for expressing my opinions in an area that I supposedly was ill qualified to comment on.
Yet here DE727UPS followed me and a few others to our banished corner. I was told that since I was not an active airline pilot anymore that my comments did not belong there and were deemed to be inflammatory to the others.
Well, since DE727UPS is not interested in career changing then perhaps he should leave us be?
SKyhigh
Yet here DE727UPS followed me and a few others to our banished corner. I was told that since I was not an active airline pilot anymore that my comments did not belong there and were deemed to be inflammatory to the others.
Well, since DE727UPS is not interested in career changing then perhaps he should leave us be?
SKyhigh
08-10-2008, 10:17 AM
#118
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Joined APC: Nov 2005
Position: UPS 757/767 Capt ONT
Posts: 4,357
"I felt I was chased (asked to leave) out of the Major and Regional forums for expressing my opinions in an area that I supposedly was ill qualified to comment on."
Laughable. Some of the folks who post in those forums simply disagree strongly with your stuff. You can post anywhere you want. And you do....
"Well, since DE727UPS is not interested in career changing then perhaps he should leave us be?"
HAHA. I want this forum to be a useful venue for folks interested in leaving the career (as does the rest of the site leadership). For example, who asked CGdaddy three times to open up about the new career he left flying for. Somebody had to do it. I mean, that's the sort of info people coming to this forum want to hear.
"Yet here DE727UPS followed me and a few others to our banished corner"
Please let the site leadership know if you ever have trouble posting at the other forums.
Laughable. Some of the folks who post in those forums simply disagree strongly with your stuff. You can post anywhere you want. And you do....
"Well, since DE727UPS is not interested in career changing then perhaps he should leave us be?"
HAHA. I want this forum to be a useful venue for folks interested in leaving the career (as does the rest of the site leadership). For example, who asked CGdaddy three times to open up about the new career he left flying for. Somebody had to do it. I mean, that's the sort of info people coming to this forum want to hear.
"Yet here DE727UPS followed me and a few others to our banished corner"
Please let the site leadership know if you ever have trouble posting at the other forums.
08-10-2008, 10:51 AM
#119
On Reserve
Joined APC: Jul 2008
Posts: 14
Super Captain America,
Speaking of laughable. You care to bring up asking me 3 times about my career yet you still won't address our questions about how a reserve captain makes $308,000. (You've been asked at least 3 times, right?)
We aren't asking for a W2, just explain how it's done. Come on, do it for all the young folks who are so eager to learn from your expertise. I know you want to be a killer role model. Let us know, I triple dog dare you.
I don't owe you a dollar, you have a card, right? I went 17 years without a business card, why does a pilot even need one? I never understood that.
And I bet you wear that hat to bed even don't you, admit it, you love it. Look in the mirror and you think "darn I look good in brown." And I bet you really do introduce yourself as captain, right?
What I found is the pilots with inflated egos were hands and away the most difficult to get along with. And in most cases aviation was their life. They either didn't have a family or could care less about the one they had and that airline was their life. They never could comprehend how your outside life, friends and family could mean more than those almighty airplanes. Here's another dollar Captain America, with no family this aviation thing is your life and you just can't fathom some pilots, or ex-pilots, who don't breath it 24-7-365. Right?
As for the great pay, you'll forgive us for not worshiping your position. You see, the seat is all a determination of when you get hired, that's it, exclusively. And what you make and who you work for means nothing to me. In terms of aviation, how you treat your co-worker and crew means absolutely everything.
The pilots of an RJ flying on the east coast are every bit the pilot you are super captain even though they make 1/10 (or is it like 1/7, still don't know) the pay. They learn hydraulics, flight controls, electrical. They deal with ATC, slick runways, thunderstorms, passengers and fly a modern jet with FMC technology. And they do it all for far less pay and they do it just as well. And I bet they fly like 900 or even 1000 hours a year, not 100. They really have to work.
So your bragging about pay and what a great pilot you are means nothing to me and most of us. Those kids getting done in the same system have far more respect from me than you and they do it humbly.
Back to your worship me web site, boy that gave me a laugh, what a deflection. You were asked to do it and therefore you feel it's necessary to put the link at the bottom of every post? Oh that's precious. (I bet the web page link is on your business card too, right?) Oh you're such a champion, serving humanity. You actually made my belly busting laugh for the day with that one, thanks.
I wonder if UPS has a no fly list, (my second good laugh for the day.)
Speaking of laughable. You care to bring up asking me 3 times about my career yet you still won't address our questions about how a reserve captain makes $308,000. (You've been asked at least 3 times, right?)
We aren't asking for a W2, just explain how it's done. Come on, do it for all the young folks who are so eager to learn from your expertise. I know you want to be a killer role model. Let us know, I triple dog dare you.
I don't owe you a dollar, you have a card, right? I went 17 years without a business card, why does a pilot even need one? I never understood that.
And I bet you wear that hat to bed even don't you, admit it, you love it. Look in the mirror and you think "darn I look good in brown." And I bet you really do introduce yourself as captain, right?
What I found is the pilots with inflated egos were hands and away the most difficult to get along with. And in most cases aviation was their life. They either didn't have a family or could care less about the one they had and that airline was their life. They never could comprehend how your outside life, friends and family could mean more than those almighty airplanes. Here's another dollar Captain America, with no family this aviation thing is your life and you just can't fathom some pilots, or ex-pilots, who don't breath it 24-7-365. Right?
As for the great pay, you'll forgive us for not worshiping your position. You see, the seat is all a determination of when you get hired, that's it, exclusively. And what you make and who you work for means nothing to me. In terms of aviation, how you treat your co-worker and crew means absolutely everything.
The pilots of an RJ flying on the east coast are every bit the pilot you are super captain even though they make 1/10 (or is it like 1/7, still don't know) the pay. They learn hydraulics, flight controls, electrical. They deal with ATC, slick runways, thunderstorms, passengers and fly a modern jet with FMC technology. And they do it all for far less pay and they do it just as well. And I bet they fly like 900 or even 1000 hours a year, not 100. They really have to work.
So your bragging about pay and what a great pilot you are means nothing to me and most of us. Those kids getting done in the same system have far more respect from me than you and they do it humbly.
Back to your worship me web site, boy that gave me a laugh, what a deflection. You were asked to do it and therefore you feel it's necessary to put the link at the bottom of every post? Oh that's precious. (I bet the web page link is on your business card too, right?) Oh you're such a champion, serving humanity. You actually made my belly busting laugh for the day with that one, thanks.
I wonder if UPS has a no fly list, (my second good laugh for the day.)
08-10-2008, 02:07 PM
#120
Self Employed.
Joined APC: May 2005
Position: Corporate Pilot
Posts: 7,119
Misunderstood
DE727UPS,
Well then I am sorry if I misunderstood you. I always enjoy your responses and welcome your opinions.
However my position as a non-active pilot is often challenged here by others and yourself. The claim is that as an outsider my position holds no value. I would like to point out that you have not applied to a job or searched for a new profession in over two decades yet here you are casting stones.
If you are in the question answering mood then I would like to know how many pilot applications are on file with UPS.
Skyhigh
Well then I am sorry if I misunderstood you. I always enjoy your responses and welcome your opinions.
However my position as a non-active pilot is often challenged here by others and yourself. The claim is that as an outsider my position holds no value. I would like to point out that you have not applied to a job or searched for a new profession in over two decades yet here you are casting stones.
If you are in the question answering mood then I would like to know how many pilot applications are on file with UPS.
Skyhigh
