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11-08-2008, 08:16 PM
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If you don't like politics then why doesn't Ford run ads on how great Chevy's are?
SkyHigh
Like I said Sky - who are YOU competing with?
Are you competing with the so-called "falg waivers" for my immortal airline soul? Reading the posts back and forth between you and DE talking about whether I have a future in aviation industry makes me feel like I am in the middle of some struggle on who can win me over to their side ala Charlie Sheen in 'Platoon'!
I came here looking for the good and the bad Sky. Information. I believe you could actually reach MORE people if you weren't so drastic. In a way Sky - I'm trying to get you to help more people with your experience but I'm really beginning to think that you like your role and nothing will change that; so we'll continue to have these conversations back and forth and hopefully others will read and make their best informaed decisions.
Oh...and I'll be sure to let you know should I finally join your ranks.
USMCFLYR
11-08-2008, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
It is a forum for aviation professionals. Airline Pilots Central. Who else do you think would be here?
USMCFLYR
My point is not to assess qualification standards in order to post on APC. In fact it is my opinion most people here are not actually working airline pilots at all but people who are interested in it as a profession. My goal was to address your comment to me as to why I bothered to post my opinions here on an airline pilots forum.
My response is that this is not actually a place that draws primarily working line pilots but wannabes and other interested parties. APC is exactly the place to reach those who are interested in the profession.
You are a perfect example of the typical person who ventures here.
SkyHigh
USMCFLYR
My point is not to assess qualification standards in order to post on APC. In fact it is my opinion most people here are not actually working airline pilots at all but people who are interested in it as a profession. My goal was to address your comment to me as to why I bothered to post my opinions here on an airline pilots forum.
My response is that this is not actually a place that draws primarily working line pilots but wannabes and other interested parties. APC is exactly the place to reach those who are interested in the profession.
You are a perfect example of the typical person who ventures here.
SkyHigh
Now - I am the perfect example - and as this example let me tell you that I could read your posts with much more attention if I didn't feel that you were so out in left/right field with your opinions. If you are trying to reach ME - then you need to be more balanced.
USMCFLYR
11-08-2008, 08:24 PM
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Military Pilot
I see that you remember what I said about not being a professional pilot - but a professional military officer. I would bet that it is not only me that would espouse that idea also - at least in the Marines. Ask other current or former Marine aviators on the forum and see if you get the same answer. I feel secure in my guess that you would get a majority of the same answer from others.
USMCFLYR
I agree. People who are in the military should be dedicated to the military first and to aviation second.
One of my oldest friends from college is a former USMC pilot. He left many years at a major airline (not furloughed just walked away) to take a desk job because he was tired of being on the road all the time and did not believe in his future anymore.
Skyhigh
USMCFLYR
I agree. People who are in the military should be dedicated to the military first and to aviation second.
One of my oldest friends from college is a former USMC pilot. He left many years at a major airline (not furloughed just walked away) to take a desk job because he was tired of being on the road all the time and did not believe in his future anymore.
Skyhigh
11-08-2008, 08:30 PM
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Thank You
Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
This is a fair enough statement. I have no statisics on the make-up of APC - but there seems to be MANY working pilots (or pilots looking for work again) on this forum. I even questioned whether I should join the forums because I am not a "working pilot" and I have actually been surprised at how many people on the forum who are not even student pilots.
Now - I am the perfect example - and as this example let me tell you that I could read your posts with much more attention if I didn't feel that you were so out in left/right field with your opinions. If you are trying to reach ME - then you need to be more balanced.
USMCFLYR
Now - I am the perfect example - and as this example let me tell you that I could read your posts with much more attention if I didn't feel that you were so out in left/right field with your opinions. If you are trying to reach ME - then you need to be more balanced.
USMCFLYR
Thank you for your candor and comments. I highly value everything that you have to say and hold nothing but the highest respect for you and everyone else here.
I think that you could get whatever job you wanted in aviation. However even military pilots can get a bad hand. I occasionally have lunch with a guy who's brother was just assigned to a UAV and is sick about it.
The question is not really if you or anyone else here can get a job but if you really want it in the first place.
Skyhigh
11-08-2008, 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Thank you for your candor and comments. I highly value everything that you have to say and hold nothing but the highest respect for you and everyone else here.
I think that you could get whatever job you wanted in aviation. However even military pilots can get a bad hand. I occasionally have lunch with a guy who's brother was just assigned to a UAV and is sick about it.
The question is not really if you or anyone else here can get a job but if you would really want it in the first place.
Skyhigh
I think that you could get whatever job you wanted in aviation. However even military pilots can get a bad hand. I occasionally have lunch with a guy who's brother was just assigned to a UAV and is sick about it.
The question is not really if you or anyone else here can get a job but if you would really want it in the first place.
Skyhigh
I know people who have left the military after their first commitments and moved on to all kinds of other careers; but they can still look back on their time in the military and speak of it with at least SOME fondness. Even if it wasn't for them the honest ones know that the military might very well fit in someone else's plans just fine.
USMCFLYR
11-08-2008, 08:45 PM
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"The question is not really if you or anyone else here can get a job but if you really want it in the first place."
Sky, it seems like your role here is to simply tell folks they are "delusional" if they want it in the first place.
Who are you to tell them they have a "problem", if they "want it"? State your facts. State what happened to you. But bashing folks because they want a career in aviation is completely uncalled for.
Yet, bashing seems to be your forte here...
Sky, it seems like your role here is to simply tell folks they are "delusional" if they want it in the first place.
Who are you to tell them they have a "problem", if they "want it"? State your facts. State what happened to you. But bashing folks because they want a career in aviation is completely uncalled for.
Yet, bashing seems to be your forte here...
11-08-2008, 08:56 PM
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Bash?
Originally Posted by de727ups
"The question is not really if you or anyone else here can get a job but if you really want it in the first place."
Sky, it seems like your role here is to simply tell folks they are "delusional" if they want it in the first place.
Who are you to tell them they have a "problem", if they "want it"? State your facts. State what happened to you. But bashing folks because they want a career in aviation is completely uncalled for.
Yet, bashing seems to be your forte here...
Sky, it seems like your role here is to simply tell folks they are "delusional" if they want it in the first place.
Who are you to tell them they have a "problem", if they "want it"? State your facts. State what happened to you. But bashing folks because they want a career in aviation is completely uncalled for.
Yet, bashing seems to be your forte here...
It is easy to "want" the fantasy, however it is the reality that people have to live with. My goal is to keep reminding people of what they are up against.
SkyHigh
11-08-2008, 09:08 PM
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"I did not "bash" anyone." Skyhigh, today....
"Past generations of pilots were always arrogant punks. Now they all walk around with their heads pointed to the ground and mumble when they talk."
Skyhigh 9/18/08
"As an FO you are invisible. No one cares about your opinions. Maintenance control or dispatch does not care what you think. Management does not want your input. The chief pilot does not know your name. You have no real responsibilities. The company has to dream up busy work to keep The FO awake and interested. You are merely a redundant system that is there to gain experience through observation. Even FA's and baggage handlers have more input and control over their environment. As an FO passengers will stare at you in full uniform and three bars and ask "are you the pilot"? Meaning that the FO is not the pilot. And in reality the FO isn't. Most of the time the FO gets the same information about the flight as the passengers. The FO is one pilot to many in a job that requires a half alert person to begin with. They have superfluous and respect less job that really is "invisible". There isn't much satisfaction in the right seat."
Skyhigh 5/1/2008
"Unless you are an aviation obsessed loner who is also a trust fund baby this career is not for you"
Skyhigh 7/31/08
I could go on....
"Past generations of pilots were always arrogant punks. Now they all walk around with their heads pointed to the ground and mumble when they talk."
Skyhigh 9/18/08
"As an FO you are invisible. No one cares about your opinions. Maintenance control or dispatch does not care what you think. Management does not want your input. The chief pilot does not know your name. You have no real responsibilities. The company has to dream up busy work to keep The FO awake and interested. You are merely a redundant system that is there to gain experience through observation. Even FA's and baggage handlers have more input and control over their environment. As an FO passengers will stare at you in full uniform and three bars and ask "are you the pilot"? Meaning that the FO is not the pilot. And in reality the FO isn't. Most of the time the FO gets the same information about the flight as the passengers. The FO is one pilot to many in a job that requires a half alert person to begin with. They have superfluous and respect less job that really is "invisible". There isn't much satisfaction in the right seat."
Skyhigh 5/1/2008
"Unless you are an aviation obsessed loner who is also a trust fund baby this career is not for you"
Skyhigh 7/31/08
I could go on....
11-08-2008, 09:27 PM
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Wow !!
Originally Posted by de727ups
"I did not "bash" anyone." Skyhigh, today....
"Past generations of pilots were always arrogant punks. Now they all walk around with their heads pointed to the ground and mumble when they talk."
Skyhigh 9/18/08
"As an FO you are invisible. No one cares about your opinions. Maintenance control or dispatch does not care what you think. Management does not want your input. The chief pilot does not know your name. You have no real responsibilities. The company has to dream up busy work to keep The FO awake and interested. You are merely a redundant system that is there to gain experience through observation. Even FA's and baggage handlers have more input and control over their environment. As an FO passengers will stare at you in full uniform and three bars and ask "are you the pilot"? Meaning that the FO is not the pilot. And in reality the FO isn't. Most of the time the FO gets the same information about the flight as the passengers. The FO is one pilot to many in a job that requires a half alert person to begin with. They have superfluous and respect less job that really is "invisible". There isn't much satisfaction in the right seat."
Skyhigh 5/1/2008
"Unless you are an aviation obsessed loner who is also a trust fund baby this career is not for you"
Skyhigh 7/31/08
I could go on....
"Past generations of pilots were always arrogant punks. Now they all walk around with their heads pointed to the ground and mumble when they talk."
Skyhigh 9/18/08
"As an FO you are invisible. No one cares about your opinions. Maintenance control or dispatch does not care what you think. Management does not want your input. The chief pilot does not know your name. You have no real responsibilities. The company has to dream up busy work to keep The FO awake and interested. You are merely a redundant system that is there to gain experience through observation. Even FA's and baggage handlers have more input and control over their environment. As an FO passengers will stare at you in full uniform and three bars and ask "are you the pilot"? Meaning that the FO is not the pilot. And in reality the FO isn't. Most of the time the FO gets the same information about the flight as the passengers. The FO is one pilot to many in a job that requires a half alert person to begin with. They have superfluous and respect less job that really is "invisible". There isn't much satisfaction in the right seat."
Skyhigh 5/1/2008
"Unless you are an aviation obsessed loner who is also a trust fund baby this career is not for you"
Skyhigh 7/31/08
I could go on....
Those are some relevant and wise observations that you have collected there however what I meant was that I didn't intend bash anyone in the previous post that you were referring to. 
Even in those quotes that you so lovingly collected I do not consider myself as bashing. Rather I am presenting the truth as I see it. Bashing suggests that I have intentions of discrediting my subject instead of accurately reporting the situation. You are choosing to see it as bashing.
With your ability to recall my best work and my skill at putting together brilliant passages maybe you and I could collaborate on a book?
SkyHigh
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