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Old 02-06-2013 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
I have been to the doctor before and have seen a few episodes of ER, and my cousin is a doctor. Does this mean I am qualified to give medical advise?
Not until you add "Scrubs" to your list.
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Old 02-06-2013 | 11:26 AM
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Maybe not with your spelling skills Glad to hear you hung on and got a great opportunity.
Hahahaha, IPads
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Old 02-06-2013 | 12:00 PM
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I don't really mean to be a fun buster but feel compelled to point out that you have merely gotten off one merry-go-round and gotten onto another.
You absolutely mean to be a "fun buster" but more than that you are preaching a gospel you don't know, and a religion into which you were never inducted or baptized. You fell off the merry-go-round long ago before the game ever got going.

In time you will see the same forces at work that discouraged you in the last one.
Is that really you, Satan?

It is imperative that you upgrade at Spirit.
Really? Why?

Upgrading is nice. Everyone wants to upgrade. It pays better. There are a lot of reasons one should and would like to upgrade. But imperative?

Simply because you failed to upgrade, don't hold anyone else's decisions against them. It's something about which you'll never really know, will you?

Starting over at any age blows.
Only a 14 year old would say it like that. "Blows?"

starting over can be a breath of fresh air, and moving to Spirit for the original poster isn't starting over. It's stepping up. He's to be congratulated. You wouldn't know about that, either.
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Old 02-06-2013 | 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Saaborroski,

I don't really mean to be a fun buster but feel compelled to point out that you have merely gotten off one merry-go-round and gotten onto another. In time you will see the same forces at work that discouraged you in the last one.

It is imperative that you upgrade at Spirit. It might take five or more years for you to reach the left seat. Should things take a turn during that time and you end up on the street then it is over for you. Professional first officers hold little value to the marketplace. Most likely you will be in your upper 30's or lower 40's if that were to happen. Starting over in middle age at a regional again would blow.

Starting over at any age blows. Most of my peers who were able to hold onto aviation have had the misfortune several times over the last decade; Legend, National Airlines, Vanguard, ATA, Sun Country... ect...


Skyhigh
Yes you do sky...u absolutely mean to be a kill joy....pathetic
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Old 02-07-2013 | 06:32 AM
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SkyHigh called me crazy years ago for sticking in the industry and defending it. The said it was dumb to start all over again after being furloughed. Called me crazy for not tossing in the towel after losing another job later on.

Today I find myself at a fortune 50 company, flying the most technologically advanced corporate jet in the world, and enjoying a great quality of life.

Keep at it and enjoy the ride. EVERY job has its headaches, but I wouldn't give up flying unless I absolutely had to. I've done the 8-5 office thing. IMHO it sucks!

Enjoy the new job. Upgrade when it's right for you. You never know what the future will hold (good or bad), so always consider that when you make career choices, but we shouldn't live our lives or make decisions based on "what's the worst case that could happen". Otherwise you'll never take risks that could really pay off in the end.

Congrats!
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Old 02-07-2013 | 07:10 AM
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Congrats and good luck with the new gig! Don't EVER let anyone steal your thunder or pee in your Cheerios! Sounds to me like certain people are jealous of others who tough it out and don't throw in the towel when their dreams and goals aren't realized in the first five minutes of a career.....
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Old 02-07-2013 | 10:51 AM
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“Apparently I lack some particular perversion which today's employer is seeking. ”

“I refuse to "look up." Optimism nauseates me. It is perverse. Since man's fall, his proper position in the universe has been one of misery.”

― John Kennedy Toole, A Confederacy of Dunces
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Old 02-19-2013 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeyMeatballs
I hear ya brother. I may get into a car accident and die, doesn't mean I should never drive a car . I am making a decision based on current information and taking it from there. Spirit is the MOST PROFITABLE airline and plans to double their fleet in just a few years. It could turn out bad for me, or I could look like a genious in a decade . Im just going to enjoy the ride..........
Saab,

Sure, enjoy the ride but I encourage you to develop an exit strategy. Right seat in an RJ is not all that much different from the right seat in an airbus. The thing that makes a difference is the slightly bigger paycheck and generally improved career outcome potential.

Right now Spirit looks strong and we all hope that it is however a decade is a long time. If Spirit takes a turn before you get a chance to upgrade then your entire career will be for naught. I personally believe that the industry is going to go through some massive changes over that time.

Middle aged unemployed first officers are nearly worthless to everyone. Every year it takes more and more to get into one of the better airlines. If you get laid off when you are too old to start over in another career it is not pretty.

I know.

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Old 02-20-2013 | 04:30 PM
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Good to hear joeymeatballs. I'm kinda in the same situation. Stuck in the right seat at a regional going on 8 years with no upgrade in sight. Hoping to make a move like you did to Spirit or someplace decent.
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Old 02-21-2013 | 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Saab,

Sure, enjoy the ride but I encourage you to develop an exit strategy. Right seat in an RJ is not all that much different from the right seat in an airbus. The thing that makes a difference is the slightly bigger paycheck and generally improved career outcome potential.

Right now Spirit looks strong and we all hope that it is however a decade is a long time. If Spirit takes a turn before you get a chance to upgrade then your entire career will be for naught. I personally believe that the industry is going to go through some massive changes over that time.

Middle aged unemployed first officers are nearly worthless to everyone. Every year it takes more and more to get into one of the better airlines. If you get laid off when you are too old to start over in another career it is not pretty.

I know.

Skyhigh
I hear ya, but thats life......I am a Regional F/O at an airline that is going to shrink, it is an absolute "No brainer". UAL just lost $700,000,000.00 last year but they have 10,000 applications on file. It is a risk no matter where you go and Spirit very well may be merged, Bankrupt, gone (insert whatever you like) in 10 years but getting on now in the beginning of a large higher cycle is the absolute best thing I could do, and quite frankly, it's the only thing myself as a pilot can control. I also am not sure what your obsession is with being a CA. Just to give you an idea of my financial situation because you keep mentioning a "slight increase in my paycheck" and the need to upgrade My wife and I own a home, own a beach house on the Jersey Shore that is paid for, have zero CC debt, a car that I race on the weekends, and some other small toys that I play with when it gets warmer out, lol. The point is I am able to have and do all of this while putting money in a savings account all while making $41.00/hr the past 6 years. Now you mention a small pay bump, yes my first year will be the same, $38/h but 2nd year will be $72, third year $77 and up from there. (SPA pilots W2s are higher than the rates would indicate) I could easily maintain my families life style while putting in a lot more money into savings.............WITHOUT ever upgrading. Of course you are probably asking how this is possible, well simply stated, my wife made a lot of money the past few years and now works for her family's business that also does well. The point is, in my position/situation in life this is absolutely the best decision for my family and I. Of course this could all change in the next decade but life is short, I can't live it with the "glass is half empty" mentality......

PS. Spirit has been very profitable the past 4 years and it looks like it will continue. This industry can and will change drastically I am sure, but if that does happen I would hope that I would be far enough up on the list that I would keep my seat.
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