Calling go-around from the jumpseat
05-16-2017, 08:56 PM
#181
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
OK. First, if ALPA says it's so, and you choose to differ from their protocol, you aren't riding on my jumpseat. If you continuously operate with this attitude you may very well jeopardize the jumpseat agreement for all SWA's pilots. If you decide that you can just saunter aboard my plane and settle in the back and eat our meals and expect to not participate in the safe outcome of our flight while we fly you to your destination, you'll be looking for another ride.
Jumpseaters are a valuable resource and should be treated accordingly. If you think you are the high and mighty sole source of information for your flight and won't listen to your FA's, your passengers, or your jumpseater, then you are a lousy airline pilot who is looking for his next incident/accident.
Your attempt to blow off ALPA's jumpseat protocol is a sure sign of someone who has no respect for the lessons of the past, no respect for fellow professional pilots, and no respect for the concept of CRM/TEM.
With your attitude, you might want to reconsider your career choice.
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Jumpseaters are a valuable resource and should be treated accordingly. If you think you are the high and mighty sole source of information for your flight and won't listen to your FA's, your passengers, or your jumpseater, then you are a lousy airline pilot who is looking for his next incident/accident.
Your attempt to blow off ALPA's jumpseat protocol is a sure sign of someone who has no respect for the lessons of the past, no respect for fellow professional pilots, and no respect for the concept of CRM/TEM.
With your attitude, you might want to reconsider your career choice.
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I also never said don't listen to your crew members or even the jumpseater but then again this goes back to basic reading comprehension which I see you have little of.
What I said is I don't recommend a jumpseater starts yelling go around at 500 feet for being a dot high introducing confusion into the cockpit at low altitude. This could cause a lot more harm that landing outside of the touchdown zone.
As for ALPA go suck it. The only thing they did for me while I was part of them was get me low pay and a second class tiered system. So, if you want to kick me off your jumpseat for not praying to the altar of ALPA please do as that is your right just be prepared to explain it to your jumpseat coordinator. Then again you seem like the internet commando type so I don't think I have to worry about missing any trips home.
The sad thing is if you're so lost in the cockpit that you have to take directions from a jumpseater from another airline then maybe you should reconsider your career choice.
05-16-2017, 11:14 PM
#183
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Originally Posted by Bluesideup1
The sad thing is if you're so lost in the cockpit that you have to take directions from a jumpseater from another airline then maybe you should reconsider your career choice.
I trust jumpseaters to be professional pilots and will know when to speak up. So, no, not lost in the cockpit, but I am aware enough to listen when someone speaks up and not let anger or ego issues get in the way and I'm certainly not about to get flustered if someone makes a bonehead "go around" call at 500 feet when one is not justified.
If and when you do jumpseat on other airlines, you might want to remember that most will consider you to be a member of the crew; an "ACM" or Additional Crew Member. Although I am not flying for an ALPA airline, I certainly respect the work they have done to secure jumpseats and I abide by the APLA rules and protocols when I am on an APLA airline. Including considering myself as an additional crewmember and participating in the safe outcome of the flight when necessary.
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05-17-2017, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Are you saying that you wouldn't take directions from a jumpseater?
I trust jumpseaters to be professional pilots and will know when to speak up. So, no, not lost in the cockpit, but I am aware enough to listen when someone speaks up and not let anger or ego issues get in the way and I'm certainly not about to get flustered if someone makes a bonehead "go around" call at 500 feet when one is not justified.
If and when you do jumpseat on other airlines, you might want to remember that most will consider you to be a member of the crew; an "ACM" or Additional Crew Member. Although I am not flying for an ALPA airline, I certainly respect the work they have done to secure jumpseats and I abide by the APLA rules and protocols when I am on an APLA airline. Including considering myself as an additional crewmember and participating in the safe outcome of the flight when necessary.
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I trust jumpseaters to be professional pilots and will know when to speak up. So, no, not lost in the cockpit, but I am aware enough to listen when someone speaks up and not let anger or ego issues get in the way and I'm certainly not about to get flustered if someone makes a bonehead "go around" call at 500 feet when one is not justified.
If and when you do jumpseat on other airlines, you might want to remember that most will consider you to be a member of the crew; an "ACM" or Additional Crew Member. Although I am not flying for an ALPA airline, I certainly respect the work they have done to secure jumpseats and I abide by the APLA rules and protocols when I am on an APLA airline. Including considering myself as an additional crewmember and participating in the safe outcome of the flight when necessary.
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05-17-2017, 06:10 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
Sure, on the 777, but MadDogs and 737s only offer the "Seat of Woe". 
05-17-2017, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Nuke
I don't need to defend my credibility to you. I am just chipping in my 2 cents just like everyone else. The quantity of one's forum posts does not correlate with one's experience or wisdom...get over yourself.
05-17-2017, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by DC8DRIVER
Are you saying that you wouldn't take directions from a jumpseater?
I trust jumpseaters to be professional pilots and will know when to speak up. So, no, not lost in the cockpit, but I am aware enough to listen when someone speaks up and not let anger or ego issues get in the way and I'm certainly not about to get flustered if someone makes a bonehead "go around" call at 500 feet when one is not justified.
If and when you do jumpseat on other airlines, you might want to remember that most will consider you to be a member of the crew; an "ACM" or Additional Crew Member. Although I am not flying for an ALPA airline, I certainly respect the work they have done to secure jumpseats and I abide by the APLA rules and protocols when I am on an APLA airline. Including considering myself as an additional crewmember and participating in the safe outcome of the flight when necessary.
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I trust jumpseaters to be professional pilots and will know when to speak up. So, no, not lost in the cockpit, but I am aware enough to listen when someone speaks up and not let anger or ego issues get in the way and I'm certainly not about to get flustered if someone makes a bonehead "go around" call at 500 feet when one is not justified.
If and when you do jumpseat on other airlines, you might want to remember that most will consider you to be a member of the crew; an "ACM" or Additional Crew Member. Although I am not flying for an ALPA airline, I certainly respect the work they have done to secure jumpseats and I abide by the APLA rules and protocols when I am on an APLA airline. Including considering myself as an additional crewmember and participating in the safe outcome of the flight when necessary.
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Ego has nothing to do with this except yours seems to be bruised that we don't want to hear you call go around from the jumpseat for something so minor as being a dot high. The fact it will cause more problems than it could help also seem to shake your fragile ego in that you keep trying to put words in my mouth.
Let me once again be straight with you since your reading comprehension is lacking.
-You are not a member of the crew no matter how badly you want to be.
-Jumpseaters can be a great resource when things go wrong.
-ALPA Sucks
-As a jumpseater speak up if the airplane is going to crash.
-If you are afraid of being a dot high on the glideslope please find another profession.
-If you are so lost in the cockpit that the jumpseater has to tell you to go around please find another profession.
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