Anyone getting hired without a degree?
#21
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How long ago? Was he on probation?
You can bet this: it just made the odds for any other non-degree applicant even more difficult.
#22
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I don't understand what's so hard about the degree.
Especially these days.
Online courses, etc.
If you want to be competitive, get a degree. If you want to make excuses about why you can't get hired, don't.
You are competing against people who have spent a long time (and a lot of money) getting a shot. If you have any kind of sense, just do the easy part and get a silly degree.
Wearing a suit to an interview may be stupid. Getting a haircut and brushing your teeth before an interview may have nothing to do with how great a pilot you are. I would venture a guess that the number is very small.
Just look at how many people showed up to an interview with flip flops, a mullet and stink breath-and actually got hired.
Sure, a degree may have little to do with the work you will do, but it does show follow through and commitment. In my opinion, unprepared people don't deserve the job. Leave it for people who can put forth the effort.
Especially these days.
Online courses, etc.
If you want to be competitive, get a degree. If you want to make excuses about why you can't get hired, don't.
You are competing against people who have spent a long time (and a lot of money) getting a shot. If you have any kind of sense, just do the easy part and get a silly degree.
Wearing a suit to an interview may be stupid. Getting a haircut and brushing your teeth before an interview may have nothing to do with how great a pilot you are. I would venture a guess that the number is very small.
Just look at how many people showed up to an interview with flip flops, a mullet and stink breath-and actually got hired.
Sure, a degree may have little to do with the work you will do, but it does show follow through and commitment. In my opinion, unprepared people don't deserve the job. Leave it for people who can put forth the effort.
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The basic application standard, for decades, has required a four year degree.
The easiest path to a major airline, without a degree, used to be starting your own airline. Now it's go to an AA WO regional and wait 6-7 years.
The easiest path to a major airline, without a degree, used to be starting your own airline. Now it's go to an AA WO regional and wait 6-7 years.
#25
Irrelevant.
There is a distinct difference between being an "entrepreneur" vs working a "profession".
Six-figures for a working stiff pretty much requires a degree, no matter what field. Doctor, lawyer, engineer, pilot, the list goes on and on.
There is a distinct difference between being an "entrepreneur" vs working a "profession".
Six-figures for a working stiff pretty much requires a degree, no matter what field. Doctor, lawyer, engineer, pilot, the list goes on and on.
#26
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Wow.
Without revealing any identity or priveleged info, can you enlighten us?
How long ago? Was he on probation?
You can bet this: it just made the odds for any other non-degree applicant even more difficult.
Exactly. It used to be a discriminator to identify the top 10% or so.
Now it just indicates conformity and compliance, and possibly (with a good GPA), ability to learn. Maybe.
Without revealing any identity or priveleged info, can you enlighten us?
How long ago? Was he on probation?
You can bet this: it just made the odds for any other non-degree applicant even more difficult.
Exactly. It used to be a discriminator to identify the top 10% or so.
Now it just indicates conformity and compliance, and possibly (with a good GPA), ability to learn. Maybe.
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Discriminator? Just for S and giggles. I'm going to throw out a personal fact. I have 8 personal friends, about 23 or so acquaintances that I keep in my phone and some contact with and God only knows how many people whom I have met that are pilots that are at the Legacies. Since I can't speak about the random people I'll talk about the 31 people that I do have some knowledge about. Of the 8 personal friends All happen to have a degree. One washed out of one legacy but wound up at another legacy. Of the 23 Acquaintances: 13 have a bachelors, 1 has master's, 5 No degree at all the other 4 I don't know Ill assume they have a degree. Legacies highly prefer degrees: DELTA is the only one that must have one. Honorable mention of the 31 people mentioned above 11 prior military. This BS about college degree cream of the crop is BS. I've flown with guy/gals and who are college educated and just not very good pilots. I've flown with guys/gals who have no degree or just associates and they can fly their tushes off. I happened to receive my flight training at the "Harvard of Aviation" I consider myself a competent average pilot. My school did not make me the pilot I am today. My dedication to learn the trade, the discipline to master the concepts of aviation, my ability to work with other crew members without that chip on my shoulder is what makes me a great pilot. Any pilot who has been flying professionally for over 10 years understands this.
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Who cares, LCC's will dominate the market and legacies are going to be fat, bloated and sinking in the next decade or so. Today's flavor of the week is usually tomorrow's tragedy. Lcc's are going to bring their pay up to the legacies, or atleast pretty damn close. Add in a lot of growth, which will add to QOL in the long run. No snooty self proclaimed super pilots who think they are aviation gods, but make the same mistakes as everybody else and complain about light chop all the time.
You can keep your degrees. Just because this braindead society tells you to spend tens of thousands of dollars and countless hours on something you'll get little to no use out of in the real world, doesn't mean you have to listen.
You can keep your degrees. Just because this braindead society tells you to spend tens of thousands of dollars and countless hours on something you'll get little to no use out of in the real world, doesn't mean you have to listen.
#29
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Discriminator? Just for S and giggles. I'm going to throw out a personal fact. I have 8 personal friends, about 23 or so acquaintances that I keep in my phone and some contact with and God only knows how many people whom I have met that are pilots that are at the Legacies. Since I can't speak about the random people I'll talk about the 31 people that I do have some knowledge about. Of the 8 personal friends All happen to have a degree. One washed out of one legacy but wound up at another legacy. Of the 23 Acquaintances: 13 have a bachelors, 1 has master's, 5 No degree at all the other 4 I don't know Ill assume they have a degree. Legacies highly prefer degrees: DELTA is the only one that must have one. Honorable mention of the 31 people mentioned above 11 prior military. This BS about college degree cream of the crop is BS. I've flown with guy/gals and who are college educated and just not very good pilots. I've flown with guys/gals who have no degree or just associates and they can fly their tushes off. I happened to receive my flight training at the "Harvard of Aviation" I consider myself a competent average pilot. My school did not make me the pilot I am today. My dedication to learn the trade, the discipline to master the concepts of aviation, my ability to work with other crew members without that chip on my shoulder is what makes me a great pilot. Any pilot who has been flying professionally for over 10 years understands this.
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