webecheck

Yes, they have. So my point is number of people hired after you in a short amount of time leading to seniority list expansion and a higher relative seniority. Similar to what a delta 2013 hire experienced. Who knows if it's true, but mgmt claims fastest growing US airline for next 5 years.

I do have to say though, even in the minimal seniority list expansion I've experienced since I was hired (approx 400 more pilots on the list than at my class date) and of course the smallest number of retirements per year for any in the next 20 more or less, I have more equipment and base options than I can keep up with up. Movement happens faster than I'm ready. You simply can't go wrong at any of the big 3.

N10DJ

This is the perfect time to bring this up since you guys are semi comparing realative time to wb fleet/ G3 & 4 pay...

I know at AA, the pilot group really wanted and probably still wants the A321 to be categorized as a G3 aircraft. It's not actually a wide-body but at the end of the day if it's in the same category with the 75/76 then who cares lol. So in the case that AA in their next contract were to actually get that improvement, what would be the comparison then for amount of G3 & 4 planes between AA and UA? There's supposed to be almost 220 A321's so wouldn't AA at that point pretty much blow everyone else out the water? Or is this something that's very unlikely to happen and I'm just making a fool of myself for asking in the first place

Sliceback

UA pays their 757 pilots at G2 rates.

G3 is only 6% more then G2.

G3 to G4 is where the big jump in pay is.

mainlineAF

Exactly. Group 3 is dumb. Not saying i dont want the 321 to Pay group 3 I’m saying group 3 isn’t enough of a pay raise for the crappy flying and worse seniority compared to group 2.

viper548

This. Look at PHX, the 757 trips are so bad they make less per month than a lot of A320 guys

mainlineAF

Yep. But hopefully isom comes through bc average calendar day will fix that.

BeechPilot33

Sliceback,

AA wins if hired in the next few years but I bet the numbers are even for a 2021 hire. It also depends on how many both hire in the next few years. What is AA hire target for 2018?

Sliceback

Beechpilot - AA’s target is 900-925. Union says they’d like 1100 but can’t handle that many newbies yet. I’d guess once the S80 retirements, and then E-190 retirements, slow down new hire intake can increase. At some point it will need in order to replace the 5200+ AA loses in six years.

Different hiring numbers by the different airlines will change the dynamic in future years. If we could predicate how many pilots A vs B vs C hires we’d have a better answer. And knowing the age of the new hires hired between now and 2021, as well as the age of the new hire in 2021, are also part of the puzzle. And then throw in the different G2 and G4 fleet percentages. Is the 2021 new hire young enough to become a G5? Or should the comparison only include G2 flying? Based on those variables I prefer to advance nearer to 2021. I like to say “the closer you get to the future the clearer the future becomes.”

Rsv4lyfe

Or go to FedEx where you can spend the majority of your career on the highest pay rates.

Commuting on company is a piece of cake. Nights aren't terrible. 50/50 day/night flying.

Another option.

crewdawg

If I were forced to commute, FDX is where I would be trying to go. Having said that, don't commute.