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Old 09-27-2023, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage View Post
I wouldn’t expect that. Only the investors are in the loop right now, and that certainly doesn’t include you.
Thats not how any of his other startups have been handled. For that matter it’s not how almost any business is handled. Most tend to broadcast success and downplay failure. What possible reason would there be for hiding a simply amazing turnaround?
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer View Post
then how is bluespoon and the rest of the pilot group in the loop?
Loop as in we have a weekly pilot call where they share updates. The article as well as financials has been brought up many times since then, we're doing fine and we have many resources available.
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Old 09-27-2023, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
If they had a big improvement in Q2 and Q3 as I have posted before you would expect them to be screaming it to every available media outlet.
Don't worry, there's plenty of folks in the industry that are seeing the success at Breeze.
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Old 09-27-2023, 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun View Post
Thats not how any of his other startups have been handled. For that matter it’s not how almost any business is handled. Most tend to broadcast success and downplay failure. What possible reason would there be for hiding a simply amazing turnaround?
they do downplay failure. I’m not sure to what extent you would be happy with them broadcasting success? They sort of do. Like I’ve previously said, I believe everything is on track where it should be. But they could be ready to sell the place off at wholesale next week. We won’t know those true numbers until IPO. Beat advice I have is do not take financial or career advice from an APC forum
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Old 09-27-2023, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bluespoon View Post
Loop as in we have a weekly pilot call where they share updates. The article as well as financials has been brought up many times since then, we're doing fine and we have many resources available.
my god, if you believe anything you are told in a pilot call, you are in for a very big surprise.
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Old 09-28-2023, 05:06 AM
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Guessing there are plenty of guys with 3k-5k hours (1k-2k+ TPIC), at regionals waiting on majors to call. Drop the degree requirement (likely won't be one at Moxy) and that opens a door for guys with no degree who are otherwise qualified. I've never seen any "start-up airline pilot minimums" in any FAA rules, and I'd venture to say that a current 121 captain, who has an FAA ATP, and who passes an FAA type ride in the C Series, is qualified in the FAA's eyes to act as a captain at a pt 121 airline, start-up or otherwise. I'd also venture to guess that Neeleman will pay Moxy CAs more than any regional will pay their CAs. If I was at a regional waiting for a major to call, I would possibly gamble with a start up while waiting, depending on the pay/benefits/bases/etc. The seniority, pay, and career expectations likely exceed that of any regional, with the exception of a guy having a possible near-term flow. And for the guys going straight to the left seat of Moxy, waiting for a big 6 to call, to then go be an FO again, may not be appealing. For guys in their first year at a regional, they could go be early FOs at Moxy with a potential quick upgrade, and make probably more money than they are making at said regional in either seat.

Guess we will see in a couple years how it plays out.
I think this is a good observation actually. I meet the profile you're describing, except that I have 2 aviation degrees and prior military. I came back in as direct entry after being out for 10yrs. I'm a regional direct entry Captain on step 10 payscale, 47 yrs old and am seriously considering breeze. I'm a few weeks from check airman so the money will be good but there's big problems with attrition and company not doing right to pilots - like alot. I live in CLT and could get down to CHS pretty easily. The problem right now for guys like myself is that American is playing games and not hiring us outside the flow usually so it's not appealing to stay here for another 4yrs to flow. Additionally, you gotta go be an FO at American or other legacy or low cost, so the money isn't there. Breeze Direct Entry Captain position with "nice" aircraft and pretty high chance of success based on historical success of Neeleman. I think their pay is pretty good as well (mostly better than regional). It might be worth taking a chance to be on the top end of the seniority list. Gotta give back a little bonus $$ but could still be worth it. I'm all ears if I'm not thinking about this right. Seems like a good gamble to me though. Obviously, any startup has risks so I get that.
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Old 09-28-2023, 09:20 AM
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I think this is a good observation actually. I meet the profile you're describing, except that I have 2 aviation degrees and prior military. I came back in as direct entry after being out for 10yrs. I'm a regional direct entry Captain on step 10 payscale, 47 yrs old and am seriously considering breeze. I'm a few weeks from check airman so the money will be good but there's big problems with attrition and company not doing right to pilots - like alot. I live in CLT and could get down to CHS pretty easily. The problem right now for guys like myself is that American is playing games and not hiring us outside the flow usually so it's not appealing to stay here for another 4yrs to flow. Additionally, you gotta go be an FO at American or other legacy or low cost, so the money isn't there. Breeze Direct Entry Captain position with "nice" aircraft and pretty high chance of success based on historical success of Neeleman. I think their pay is pretty good as well (mostly better than regional). It might be worth taking a chance to be on the top end of the seniority list. Gotta give back a little bonus $$ but could still be worth it. I'm all ears if I'm not thinking about this right. Seems like a good gamble to me though. Obviously, any startup has risks so I get that.
In your situation living in CLT you have little to lose switching to Breeze. Make the switch and keep your apps in at American. You will probably hear from American sooner than later and have some clarity on where Breeze is headed.
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Old 09-29-2023, 05:28 AM
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I'm all ears if I'm not thinking about this right. Seems like a good gamble to me though. Obviously, any startup has risks so I get that.
Come on over. For you it makes sense
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Old 09-29-2023, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ahardin View Post
I think this is a good observation actually. I meet the profile you're describing, except that I have 2 aviation degrees and prior military. I came back in as direct entry after being out for 10yrs. I'm a regional direct entry Captain on step 10 payscale, 47 yrs old and am seriously considering breeze. I'm a few weeks from check airman so the money will be good but there's big problems with attrition and company not doing right to pilots - like alot. I live in CLT and could get down to CHS pretty easily. The problem right now for guys like myself is that American is playing games and not hiring us outside the flow usually so it's not appealing to stay here for another 4yrs to flow. Additionally, you gotta go be an FO at American or other legacy or low cost, so the money isn't there. Breeze Direct Entry Captain position with "nice" aircraft and pretty high chance of success based on historical success of Neeleman. I think their pay is pretty good as well (mostly better than regional). It might be worth taking a chance to be on the top end of the seniority list. Gotta give back a little bonus $$ but could still be worth it. I'm all ears if I'm not thinking about this right. Seems like a good gamble to me though. Obviously, any startup has risks so I get that.
Or just get your app in at Delta or United then update AA once your hired or leverage the CJOs..::.

Money at the legacy carrier will be better…. Even as an FO… Or go to United and upgrade after a year…
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Old 09-29-2023, 07:15 PM
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Or just get your app in at Delta or United then update AA once your hired or leverage the CJOs..::.

Money at the legacy carrier will be better…. Even as an FO… Or go to United and upgrade after a year…

the money at a legacy initially is not more than a DEC at breeze, it’s literally $100 bux an hr less. In addition, he would be commuting to NYC or SFO. I would choose to make more money and drive to CHS until AA calls, which won’t be long.
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