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#4261
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Joined: Mar 2006
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From: guppy CA
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
Last edited by Andy; 08-21-2023 at 08:28 PM.
#4262
Turn n burn
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STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
#4266
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One favors the house far more.
#4267
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Joined: Aug 2023
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STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
#4268
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,213
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From: guppy CA
My suggestion to you is that you find someone who actually understands corporate finance and have him/her read the One mile at a time article and ask their opinion. At this point, I wouldn't expect Breeze to make it to summer 2024 without another large (100M+) funding raise. And given the amount of capital Breeze has burned through to date, I'm not optimistic about them being able to raise much of anything.
I understand that this is your first airline and you're an 'all in' kool aid drinker at the moment, but the business model isn't working and I doubt that it can be fixed. You can ride Breeze into the ground or thank Breeze for the experience and move on. Your choice. At a minimum, update your resume.
#4269
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STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category
Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.
McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.
But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
What question? What does that have anything to do with anything? Also it looks like you learned something on this breeze thread. By googling how mergers happen today. It’s not by bringing out a big staple but by attempting to do what’s fair. Meaning number 1 A220 CA is not stapled below the bottom new hire at AA. Good luck to the folks that have to spend a 4 day with you as well.
#4270
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Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 5,213
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From: guppy CA
What question? What does that have anything to do with anything? Also it looks like you learned something on this breeze thread. By googling how mergers happen today. It’s not by bringing out a big staple but by attempting to do what’s fair. Meaning number 1 A220 CA is not stapled below the bottom new hire at AA. Good luck to the folks that have to spend a 4 day with you as well.
And I have been through a merger so I'm well aware of how mergers work since I've been through one. And don't kid yourself; IF American bought you guys, there would be a very good chance of the entire Breeze seniority list being stapled. You obviously don't understand the significance of career expectations and where the A220 fits in American's fleet. But it's not going to happen anyway because no airline's interested in Breeze. They'll wait to pick up the assets.
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