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Old 08-21-2023 | 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bluespoon
You’re the one that sounds like you’ve been in this business about 8 months. Still don’t know how mergers happen huh? Big staples?
STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.

As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category

Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.

McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.

But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.

Last edited by Andy; 08-21-2023 at 08:28 PM.
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Old 08-21-2023 | 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.

As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category

Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.

McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.

But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
man wish I could be on a four day trip with you
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Old 08-22-2023 | 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The 307 Guy
man wish I could be on a four day trip with you
LOL! Said the kid that's never done an overnight trip.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 05:19 AM
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Are all new hires going to the 220 or are people still getting the 190? TYI.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
LOL! Said the kid that's never done an overnight trip.
life must be pretty easy knowing everything huh? There’s probably others threads you could go find to tell everyone how smart you are.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 07:02 AM
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Originally Posted by The 307 Guy
life must be pretty easy knowing everything huh? There’s probably others threads you could go find to tell everyone how smart you are.
You don’t have to know everything to know breeze is a bad bet. It’s the equivalent playing penny slots at a casino and acting superior to a blackjack player because both are gambling.

One favors the house far more.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.

As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category

Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.

McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.

But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.
Actually, the 220-300 is not in the bottom pay band.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by The 307 Guy
life must be pretty easy knowing everything huh? There’s probably others threads you could go find to tell everyone how smart you are.
You had an R-ATP less than 6 months ago when you started at Breeze. You should now have enough hours to move on to an airline that's not on the brink of Ch 7.
My suggestion to you is that you find someone who actually understands corporate finance and have him/her read the One mile at a time article and ask their opinion. At this point, I wouldn't expect Breeze to make it to summer 2024 without another large (100M+) funding raise. And given the amount of capital Breeze has burned through to date, I'm not optimistic about them being able to raise much of anything.

I understand that this is your first airline and you're an 'all in' kool aid drinker at the moment, but the business model isn't working and I doubt that it can be fixed. You can ride Breeze into the ground or thank Breeze for the experience and move on. Your choice. At a minimum, update your resume.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
STILL AVOIDING MY QUESTION.

As for a merger, it's not going to happen but I'll indulge you.
1) Each carrier will have a merger assessment to pay for the legal costs of the SLI. I'm sure your 300ish pilots will be able to raise enough funds to adequately present your case against 15,000 or so pilots. LOL.
2) ALPA's merger policy (you guys are ALPA so we'll go with their criteria) in no particular order, the following three factors need to be considered:
Career expectations
Longevity
Status and Category

Breeze pilots' career expectations are capped at A220 CA. That aircraft is in American's bottom pay band. How many American aircraft are flown by mainline that are in the bottom pay band? Hint: less than one. Based on career expectations, that's a staple.
Longevity - How long has Breeze been in business? Where would Breeze pilots be slotted based on longevity? That's your best argument for not being stapled.
Status and Category- See career expectations. Another vote for the stapler.

McCaskill-Bond doesn't change these facts.
If you guys were able to get much more than a staple, chances are most American equipment would be fenced off for a few years; longer for widebodies.

But sure, I don't know how mergers happen; you're the expert on mergers and Breeze's profitability.

What question? What does that have anything to do with anything? Also it looks like you learned something on this breeze thread. By googling how mergers happen today. It’s not by bringing out a big staple but by attempting to do what’s fair. Meaning number 1 A220 CA is not stapled below the bottom new hire at AA. Good luck to the folks that have to spend a 4 day with you as well.
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Old 08-22-2023 | 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by bluespoon
What question? What does that have anything to do with anything? Also it looks like you learned something on this breeze thread. By googling how mergers happen today. It’s not by bringing out a big staple but by attempting to do what’s fair. Meaning number 1 A220 CA is not stapled below the bottom new hire at AA. Good luck to the folks that have to spend a 4 day with you as well.
It's actually two questions that you have refused to answer:
Originally Posted by Andy
Just curious,
How long have you been in the airline business? What was your college major?
What does it have to do with anything? You sound very new to the business.

And I have been through a merger so I'm well aware of how mergers work since I've been through one. And don't kid yourself; IF American bought you guys, there would be a very good chance of the entire Breeze seniority list being stapled. You obviously don't understand the significance of career expectations and where the A220 fits in American's fleet. But it's not going to happen anyway because no airline's interested in Breeze. They'll wait to pick up the assets.
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