ULCC Model in the U.S.
11-05-2019, 02:01 PM
#21
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My last flight as a Spirit FO, 2 pax peed in their seats and some lady must have been afraid her baby would be sucked down into the lav toilet so she had the baby poop in the fwd lav sink.
That kind of thing happened on my flights almost every month while I was there.
That kind of thing happened on my flights almost every month while I was there.
11-05-2019, 02:17 PM
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ULCC’s can grow in the US but will never match the market share of the big 3. The Legacy’s control all of the markets in all of the major US cities and therefore generate a revenue premium that the ULCC’s will never get. ULCC’s will also see their costs increase over time as their employee groups grow larger and negotiate better contracts and as their aircraft age. The problem is they compete on price and will struggle to increase revenue to match their increased costs. This is my opinion only
11-05-2019, 03:44 PM
#23
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Originally Posted by Triggs
I would beg to differ somewhat on the clientele. AA MIA to DCA last week the poor FA had to tell a passenger 4 times to use headsets. The level of cleanliness and level of couth are the same these days. particularly in the back
11-05-2019, 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
It is a byproduct of the frequent flier points systems. Legacies are mostly flown by those who fly frequently and/or are interested in collecting points for future travel. Corporate travel accounts are main drivers for this type of thing. Beat the FF programs and you will beat the legacies.
Don’t forget about network size. You just can’t get to a lot of places on the U/LCCs.
11-05-2019, 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by mainlineAF
Don’t forget about network size. You just can’t get to a lot of places on the U/LCCs.
11-05-2019, 08:17 PM
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I’m just a lowly cargo pilot.....but I do spend alot of time in the back of delta, united, and american. When I’m flying my family somewhere....it’s usually on a LCC. I don’t see the product as inferior to any legacy carrier domestically.....from a coach standpoint.
11-05-2019, 11:48 PM
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I just did a search for a roundtrip LAS - MCO . depart 11-14 and return 11-18 cheapest nonstop fare.
Frontier is $220
Southwest is $560
So lets say a family of four traveling. You check one big bag on Frontier for $80 roundtrip and then do backpacks for the flight. Saving over $1200. That's a lot of money you can spend on your vacation.
I have a Delta captain friend that buys tickets on Frontier for his family instead of dealing with non rev fun.
So just saying cheap sells. Id be willing to bet most pilots on here go to Costco or Sams club.
Frontier is $220
Southwest is $560
So lets say a family of four traveling. You check one big bag on Frontier for $80 roundtrip and then do backpacks for the flight. Saving over $1200. That's a lot of money you can spend on your vacation.
I have a Delta captain friend that buys tickets on Frontier for his family instead of dealing with non rev fun.
So just saying cheap sells. Id be willing to bet most pilots on here go to Costco or Sams club.
11-06-2019, 04:20 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
I just did a search for a roundtrip LAS - MCO . depart 11-14 and return 11-18 cheapest nonstop fare.
Frontier is $220
Southwest is $560
So lets say a family of four traveling. You check one big bag on Frontier for $80 roundtrip and then do backpacks for the flight. Saving over $1200. That's a lot of money you can spend on your vacation.
I have a Delta captain friend that buys tickets on Frontier for his family instead of dealing with non rev fun.
So just saying cheap sells. Id be willing to bet most pilots on here go to Costco or Sams club.
Frontier is $220
Southwest is $560
So lets say a family of four traveling. You check one big bag on Frontier for $80 roundtrip and then do backpacks for the flight. Saving over $1200. That's a lot of money you can spend on your vacation.
I have a Delta captain friend that buys tickets on Frontier for his family instead of dealing with non rev fun.
So just saying cheap sells. Id be willing to bet most pilots on here go to Costco or Sams club.
11-06-2019, 04:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
“Most customers don’t want to put up with that crap”
Seriously? Have you seen the product by some of the legacy folk? Unless you’re up front on AA, I would rank that ride on par with Spirit or Frontier.
Correction....up front on an old Airways plane out of CLT is pretty bad too. And I hear Parker is cutting the legroom in first class as well.
Regression to the mean is already underway as legacy carriers try to adapt ULCC concepts for themselves, including shrinking seat pitch, credit card sales, checked bag fees etc. How much longer do you expect a carry on to be free at AA or UAL?
Seriously? Have you seen the product by some of the legacy folk? Unless you’re up front on AA, I would rank that ride on par with Spirit or Frontier.
Correction....up front on an old Airways plane out of CLT is pretty bad too. And I hear Parker is cutting the legroom in first class as well.
Regression to the mean is already underway as legacy carriers try to adapt ULCC concepts for themselves, including shrinking seat pitch, credit card sales, checked bag fees etc. How much longer do you expect a carry on to be free at AA or UAL?
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