ULCC Model in the U.S.
11-06-2019, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Omniscient
Haha. That’s awesome.
Best part of working at Spirit is my interaction with any back of the house trash, is minimal. 99% is fine and the 1% that isn’t, well there is a person to call for that. The days of leaving the flight deck to handle an issue went the way of the dodo when the social media presence increased on planes
Ironically the only fecal/bodily fluid issues I’ve had the pleasure of having to call cleaners for was from the “comfort animals.”
Best part of working at Spirit is my interaction with any back of the house trash, is minimal. 99% is fine and the 1% that isn’t, well there is a person to call for that. The days of leaving the flight deck to handle an issue went the way of the dodo when the social media presence increased on planes
Ironically the only fecal/bodily fluid issues I’ve had the pleasure of having to call cleaners for was from the “comfort animals.”
11-06-2019, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by madmax757
I just did a search for a roundtrip LAS - MCO . depart 11-14 and return 11-18 cheapest nonstop fare.
Frontier is $220
Southwest is $560
So lets say a family of four traveling. You check one big bag on Frontier for $80 roundtrip and then do backpacks for the flight. Saving over $1200. That's a lot of money you can spend on your vacation.
I have a Delta captain friend that buys tickets on Frontier for his family instead of dealing with non rev fun.
So just saying cheap sells. Id be willing to bet most pilots on here go to Costco or Sams club.
Frontier is $220
Southwest is $560
So lets say a family of four traveling. You check one big bag on Frontier for $80 roundtrip and then do backpacks for the flight. Saving over $1200. That's a lot of money you can spend on your vacation.
I have a Delta captain friend that buys tickets on Frontier for his family instead of dealing with non rev fun.
So just saying cheap sells. Id be willing to bet most pilots on here go to Costco or Sams club.
Yes but you forgot to mention that the flight will cancel and then they will have to buy a ticket on another carrier....there goes the saving!!
11-06-2019, 07:37 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
Which means less than nothing in regards to their business model viability
11-06-2019, 07:48 AM
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Originally Posted by bluesky24
ULCC’s will also see their costs increase over time as their employee groups grow larger and negotiate better contracts and as their aircraft age. The problem is they compete on price and will struggle to increase revenue to match their increased costs. This is my opinion only
Startup airlines have these advantages if they can get off the ground. Also governments tend to favor startups with slots/gates and other freebies which would never be available to established carriers.
Long term as their costs increase and/or the economy tanks, startups tend to either fail or get absorbed into large carriers where the economy of scale exists.
Jetblue is an unusual startup winner IMO, in that they have achieved product differentiation and do not hinge their entire business model on cheap labor and low Mx costs (which don't last).
11-06-2019, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Rahlifer
I saw a “comfort” chicken on a flight that had a little diaper on. It made me feel amused and hungry at the same time.
11-06-2019, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Popeye0537
Yes but you forgot to mention that the flight will cancel and then they will have to buy a ticket on another carrier....there goes the saving!!
11-06-2019, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HeisenbergBlue
Same can be said about any carrier... they all cancel at some point.
11-06-2019, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Peacock
Yet you only hear about people getting stranded by Frontier/Spirit/etc. If you’re getting a super cheap fare on a route that only has one flight a day or a few flights a week, you’re taking more of a risk than on a route with more frequent service.
Yet the chances of being canceled are lower on a few ULCC vs their legacy counterparts.
So to your point, it’s great American has more flight options because your flight completion is the most questionable in the industry
11-06-2019, 09:43 AM
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Europe has a Southwest. It’s called Ryan Air.
Both have very productive days but SW guys seem to have more days off per month.
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