uboatdriver

I heard (maybe just a rumor) that this also happened in ASA 529.

321pilot

Working under the assumption that I’m human and I forget stuff sometimes, I use mine as a reminder / trigger.

On after engine 2 is started
Off after the After Takeoff checklist (~3k)
On after the Appraoch checklist (10k)
Off after the After Landing checklist

FOM says on for takeoff and landing.

GogglesPisano

It's the same guys who use hand sanitizer after they eat.

rickair7777

I got the story from a former roommate of the surviving pilot (FO).

He survived because he was able to use the axe to cut a whole in the windshield, which enabled rescue workers to get him out quickly. They sprayed him with the firehose through the hole in the process, saving his life from the fire. The CA was unconscious after impact and was not able to be rescued quickly enough. Didn't hear about shoulder straps but it's plausible.

In the CA's defense, IIRC the failure that led to the crash occurred at altitude, not close to the ground.

GogglesPisano

How many of you guys wear seat belts on the hotel van? Much higher risk, by a factor of probably 100.

rickair7777

True, I do. At a former employer we had an entire crew out on disability after a bad van crash.

Guppydriver95

I’ll take this one! It keeps your trousers from getting “shiny” in the crotch area from the metal buckle. Keeps any grime from the belt off your lap as well. You guys must be fairly new to the biz

HuggyU2

Yes. A friend of mine was in a crew van accident many years ago, and had a head injury. Partially paralyzed down the left side of his body and never flew again.

A year ago, I was at TK and riding on the shuttle. The driver had to slam on the brakes, and we still hit a car that cut her off. The pilot in the front seat closest to the aisle wasn't buckled in and was thrown all the way to the dashboard and stairs. Fortunately, she was not hurt but had the speed been higher and the deceleration been greater, she would have gotten a face-full of something unpleasant.

Excellent Captain I flew with said it keeps the pants from getting a shiny area on them where the seatbelt continually rubs the pants. Makes the pants last longer.

That's what started our conversation. He took a hard head shot in severe turbulence that dazed him.
I'm of the opinion that the shoulder harnesses won't help in that situation. Only the lap belt.

TiredSoul

I was told by a Captain to NOT wear the shoulder belts that long as they wear the epaulets.
Seriously....
I was to flabbergasted to even reply.

badflaps

If you are sleepy, they keep you from falling into the machinery.