Shoulder harness usage
03-21-2020, 02:33 AM
#51
New Hire
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Posts: 6
I bet Capt. Lancaster wished he had kept his shoulder harness on.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit...ys_Flight_5390
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit...ys_Flight_5390
03-21-2020, 04:07 AM
#52
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 4,603
Wear the seatbelt every time.
Just as important is telling the driver of the van or car service to slow down or not tailgate.
Whats with these guys? What’s the hurry? I’ve had some spirited conversations with drivers about speed. One guy driving in 1/4 mile fog at the speed limit. All I was thinking about was coming out of the fog on one of those 100 car pile ups. Other guys speeding in rain or at night or just driving far too aggressively in normal traffic. They act like I’m the crazy one and no one has said anything before. I’ve honestly never had a problem on my own in uber or lyft almost as if the drivers have been coached/trained against these practices. The hotel and car service drivers it’s systemic.
We as a group need to stop tolerating this crap. Speak up and and also notify your hotel committees. The ride to and from the hotel is by far the most dangerous part of the job.
Just as important is telling the driver of the van or car service to slow down or not tailgate.
Whats with these guys? What’s the hurry? I’ve had some spirited conversations with drivers about speed. One guy driving in 1/4 mile fog at the speed limit. All I was thinking about was coming out of the fog on one of those 100 car pile ups. Other guys speeding in rain or at night or just driving far too aggressively in normal traffic. They act like I’m the crazy one and no one has said anything before. I’ve honestly never had a problem on my own in uber or lyft almost as if the drivers have been coached/trained against these practices. The hotel and car service drivers it’s systemic.
We as a group need to stop tolerating this crap. Speak up and and also notify your hotel committees. The ride to and from the hotel is by far the most dangerous part of the job.
03-21-2020, 06:08 AM
#53
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Joined APC: Apr 2009
Position: A320 CA
Posts: 705
Originally Posted by Qotsaautopilot
Wear the seatbelt every time.
Just as important is telling the driver of the van or car service to slow down or not tailgate.
Whats with these guys? What’s the hurry? I’ve had some spirited conversations with drivers about speed. One guy driving in 1/4 mile fog at the speed limit. All I was thinking about was coming out of the fog on one of those 100 car pile ups. Other guys speeding in rain or at night or just driving far too aggressively in normal traffic. They act like I’m the crazy one and no one has said anything before. I’ve honestly never had a problem on my own in uber or lyft almost as if the drivers have been coached/trained against these practices. The hotel and car service drivers it’s systemic.
We as a group need to stop tolerating this crap. Speak up and and also notify your hotel committees. The ride to and from the hotel is by far the most dangerous part of the job.
Just as important is telling the driver of the van or car service to slow down or not tailgate.
Whats with these guys? What’s the hurry? I’ve had some spirited conversations with drivers about speed. One guy driving in 1/4 mile fog at the speed limit. All I was thinking about was coming out of the fog on one of those 100 car pile ups. Other guys speeding in rain or at night or just driving far too aggressively in normal traffic. They act like I’m the crazy one and no one has said anything before. I’ve honestly never had a problem on my own in uber or lyft almost as if the drivers have been coached/trained against these practices. The hotel and car service drivers it’s systemic.
We as a group need to stop tolerating this crap. Speak up and and also notify your hotel committees. The ride to and from the hotel is by far the most dangerous part of the job.
03-21-2020, 06:25 AM
#54
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767 Captain
Posts: 3,988
Originally Posted by highfarfast
My company manual says harness on at all operations below FL180 so that’s what I do. I can’t come up with a decent excuse to deviate.
Hard to decide to do something else.It's on the before takeoff checklist too.
Other airlines I worked for were a bit more "big boy" approach, but whatever.
I do it their way, they pay me and I don't sweat the small stuff.
I think harness until it's clear all is well after takeoff is a reasonable technique. Maybe I'll hold off a bit longer just to be safe.
03-21-2020, 06:44 AM
#55
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 767 Captain
Posts: 3,988
Since we're swapping minutia, what's everyone's FOM and/or flight manual say about feet on rudder pedals and hands on controls during approach?
Current company - nada.
Former (UAL) - well before merger - Hands on throttles and yoke 10K and below, feet on rudders 3K and below.
Gotta say, I've always been kind of dumbfounded watching a guy fly the aircraft around the pattern in the approach environment with his feet flat on the floor and both hands in his lap. Only reaching up and dialing in the new heading and/or speed when given, then hands right back into lap. Seems a bit disconnected from the role of PF even if the autopilot is on. Thoughts?
Current company - nada.
Former (UAL) - well before merger - Hands on throttles and yoke 10K and below, feet on rudders 3K and below.
Gotta say, I've always been kind of dumbfounded watching a guy fly the aircraft around the pattern in the approach environment with his feet flat on the floor and both hands in his lap. Only reaching up and dialing in the new heading and/or speed when given, then hands right back into lap. Seems a bit disconnected from the role of PF even if the autopilot is on. Thoughts?
03-21-2020, 06:54 AM
#56
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Joined APC: Jan 2006
Position: Engines Turn Or People Swim
Posts: 39,293
Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
Since we're swapping minutia, what's everyone's FOM and/or flight manual say about feet on rudder pedals and hands on controls during approach?
Current company - nada.
Former (UAL) - well before merger - Hands on throttles and yoke 10K and below, feet on rudders 3K and below.
Gotta say, I've always been kind of dumbfounded watching a guy fly the aircraft around the pattern in the approach environment with his feet flat on the floor and both hands in his lap. Only reaching up and dialing in the new heading and/or speed when given, then hands right back into lap. Seems a bit disconnected from the role of PF even if the autopilot is on. Thoughts?
Current company - nada.
Former (UAL) - well before merger - Hands on throttles and yoke 10K and below, feet on rudders 3K and below.
Gotta say, I've always been kind of dumbfounded watching a guy fly the aircraft around the pattern in the approach environment with his feet flat on the floor and both hands in his lap. Only reaching up and dialing in the new heading and/or speed when given, then hands right back into lap. Seems a bit disconnected from the role of PF even if the autopilot is on. Thoughts?
03-22-2020, 03:29 AM
#58
Banned
Joined APC: Dec 2016
Posts: 170
Originally Posted by labbats
What is the purpose of shoulder harnesses? To stop forward momentum in a crash. So therefore once I am away from the ground there is no reason to protect me from forward momentum. So usually 10,000 feet is when I release my shoulder harnesses.
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