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Old 05-05-2020, 05:05 AM
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New IATA report out

Apparently, for 118 airlines worldwide, 62% is the breakeven load factor.

Link: https://twitter.com/WandrMe/status/1257644031733088259

Report: https://www.iata.org/en/iata-reposit...start-to-lift/

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Big disclaimer...Based on yields from last year.

You could have 90% loads right now and not even break even because tickets are so cheap.

There is a lot of excess capacity in the system that needs to be reduced before airlines can return to profitability. I keep reminding people that even if miraculously a vaccine was released today, somehow manufactured for 8 billion people overnight, and magically distributed to everyone tomorrow, we would still be in an economic recession with tens of millions of jobless in the US alone.

COVID-19 was the tipping point. The economic recession (or depression if it gets there) is now what the airlines must fight.
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Originally Posted by iahflyr View Post
Big disclaimer...Based on yields from last year.

You could have 90% loads right now and not even break even because tickets are so cheap.

There is a lot of excess capacity in the system that needs to be reduced before airlines can return to profitability. I keep reminding people that even if miraculously a vaccine was released today, somehow manufactured for 8 billion people overnight, and magically distributed to everyone tomorrow, we would still be in an economic recession with tens of millions of jobless in the US alone.

COVID-19 was the tipping point. The economic recession (or depression if it gets there) is now what the airlines must fight.
This. I’m not sure why so many are having a difficult time grasping this.
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People are in denial.
Next is anger, then depression; then eventually acceptance. It takes a while when you’re grieving.
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If the math is correct, and TSA numbers from last year were consistently 2.1M-ish daily, then we need to be at 1.2, 1.3M-ish daily to be at 60%.

That is to break even

fingers crossed the TSA numbers keep ticking up
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Originally Posted by senecacaptain View Post
If the math is correct, and TSA numbers from last year were consistently 2.1M-ish daily, then we need to be at 1.2, 1.3M-ish daily to be at 60%.

That is to break even

fingers crossed the TSA numbers keep ticking up
Yields are going to be trashed for awhile. Unfortunately we’ll need more than 60% to break even.
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The other side of the yield coin is that if you shoot for 62%, you price a lot higher. The problem is not that prices are too high it’s that people don’t want to fly. If people suddenly want to fly, the top 60% of the market will yield out fine for the majors. All coach carriers will take a hit
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People are in denial.
Next is anger, then depression; then eventually acceptance. It takes a while when you’re grieving.
you skipped bargaining
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Yields are going to be trashed for awhile. Unfortunately we’ll need more than 60% to break even.
Have you even looked at ticket prices for some city pairs? They’re not cheap.
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I enjoy the optimism as much as anyone, but I seem to remember that most large corporations have completely nixed their travel for this year. Many of them have nixed it into 2021. With out that travel, I doubt there is anyway we get to 60% load factors this year. But I hope I'm wrong.
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