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09-03-2021, 10:19 AM
#111
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Originally Posted by Excargodog
It is low tech stuff they can actually use to control the country though. That’s why it was given to the Afghan military to begin with.
They might even provide stability, and will likely behave to avoid antagonizing the US or international community. If the AF people support burkas and book-burning, leave them to it. They had their chance to stand up (we should of course assist those individuals who aided us, like we did with Iraqis, S. Vietnamese, Hmong, etc).
09-03-2021, 02:44 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
1. The Taliban has absolutely no interest or motive in attacking shipping
1(a). Landlocked.
1(b). They want/need the international community to recognize them eventually.
1(c). They want eventual access to the billions the previous AF gov has on deposit overseas.
1(d). They don't was us to come get them again.
2. Iran already has plenty of aircraft, including swarmable drones.
2(a). The taliban will not be giving any aircraft to Iran, oil and water.
1(a). Landlocked.
1(b). They want/need the international community to recognize them eventually.
1(c). They want eventual access to the billions the previous AF gov has on deposit overseas.
1(d). They don't was us to come get them again.
2. Iran already has plenty of aircraft, including swarmable drones.
2(a). The taliban will not be giving any aircraft to Iran, oil and water.
Yeah, I am gonna disagree with you. But thanks for sharing your opinion with me. The Taliban is nothing more then what they have always been. A leopard can’t change its spots. It’s funny how the msm has moved on to the next big story. But if you dig around the internet you can find they’re still doing what they have always done. FUNKER530 has some on their highlight reel. Feel free to check it out.
09-03-2021, 04:13 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Stop lying and putting words in my mouth, that's not what I said.
As I keep saying over and over again, the overall situation is bad for the US internationally, and the WH at home.
The hardware left behind is largely irrelevant for all the reasons I've patiently explained above. If you don't get that, you'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
As I keep saying over and over again, the overall situation is bad for the US internationally, and the WH at home.
The hardware left behind is largely irrelevant for all the reasons I've patiently explained above. If you don't get that, you'll just have to wait and see how it all plays out.
The fact that you have downplayed this saying that there will be no repercussions is delusional at best. We are already seeing the repercussions as Iran trucks in our equipment.
This whole thing started because you said this wasn't an unmitigated disaster. After seeing what has happened and diving in deeper do you still believe that?
09-04-2021, 08:47 AM
#114
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Originally Posted by Bluesideup1
This whole thing started because you said this wasn't an unmitigated disaster. After seeing what has happened and diving in deeper do you still believe that?
09-05-2021, 05:49 AM
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Originally Posted by MooseAg03
We did stay too long. At least 10 years too long. After we killed bin laden we should have pulled chocks.
Now we have two ridiculously long wars against insurgency that prove that our methods do not work. We seem to have forgotten the lessons of Vietnam and our country’s leadership employs the same methods today that they did 50+ years ago: they pursue a losing strategy and yet they continue to lie to us and tell us it is working. McNamara had secret memos where he knew we would lose in Vietnam, yet we continued to send our people there to die. The leaked transcripts from July clearly show our senior leaders imploring the Afghan President to lie about the situation. It is shameful that we keep repeating the same mistakes. Keep in mind that we don’t just pay for these wars with American lives, we are binding our grandchildren’s grandchildren to pay for them by working their entire lives in debt to the federal government. These are the kind of mistakes that cause countries to fail.
Now we have two ridiculously long wars against insurgency that prove that our methods do not work. We seem to have forgotten the lessons of Vietnam and our country’s leadership employs the same methods today that they did 50+ years ago: they pursue a losing strategy and yet they continue to lie to us and tell us it is working. McNamara had secret memos where he knew we would lose in Vietnam, yet we continued to send our people there to die. The leaked transcripts from July clearly show our senior leaders imploring the Afghan President to lie about the situation. It is shameful that we keep repeating the same mistakes. Keep in mind that we don’t just pay for these wars with American lives, we are binding our grandchildren’s grandchildren to pay for them by working their entire lives in debt to the federal government. These are the kind of mistakes that cause countries to fail.
Meto, my faded, frayed sock/muse, likes tagging popular culture themes on posts to help navigate the forum abyss. After Houston discovers Apollo can't be recovered without a functioning CO2 scrubber in the lander, they adapt one from parts off the command module. As techs whine about insurmountable obstacles to their boss, he answers; "You keep telling me what you need. Here's what we got." Generations of juice yet to squeeze under shelter of this prize tree. Still no match for hard winters ahead split in two. https://youtu.be/9UamrfhPRmU
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