Day off definitions: saga continues
12-24-2021, 10:53 AM
#42
In a land of unicorns
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
But that isn't a day off, it's a night off. And we routinely see people describing their QOL in terms of nights away from home. It's one of the big QOL gains for living in base at a place like Allegiant.
Just saying "I had 12 days off" doesn't tell the whole story. You could have 12 days off but no trips commutable on both ends. Or you could have 12 days off with every night at home in bed. That's why we say things like, "I bid long call and only work one trip a month." No, the rest of the days aren't "off." Yes, it's an incredible QOL multiplier when you can do that if that's what you want.
Just saying "I had 12 days off" doesn't tell the whole story. You could have 12 days off but no trips commutable on both ends. Or you could have 12 days off with every night at home in bed. That's why we say things like, "I bid long call and only work one trip a month." No, the rest of the days aren't "off." Yes, it's an incredible QOL multiplier when you can do that if that's what you want.
You can fudge this any way you want, but an unused rsv day is not a day off. It only works for very few people and its never consistent.
Or I will just keep saying I had 21 days off as an Atlas FO. Which is not true, but would be using your litmus test.
12-24-2021, 10:56 AM
#43
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,067
Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker
while you make some good points that I agree with your looking at res when times are good and it’s working out because you live in a domicile. When times are bad you’ll need the language as well. If you didn’t live in a domicile or we’re being used regularly I’ll bet you wouldn’t consider it a day off?
That's why we qualify years at airlines. It gives you insight into the effect of seniority and how it can both compensate you and improve QOL. At my airline, if you are unconcerned with money, you can drop reserve days in the middle of a stretch. If your seat has a low ALV, guys pick up anything two days or less and lowers your chances of getting used on reserve if you only have 2 or 3 days available at a time.
I just vehemently disagree that the only thing we can compare is contractual days off vs how much you make. It isn't an accurate picture at all.
12-24-2021, 10:57 AM
#44
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2013
Posts: 10,067
Originally Posted by dera
So if you only fly CDOs you get 30 days off a month?
You can fudge this any way you want, but an unused rsv day is not a day off. It only works for very few people and its never consistent.
Or I will just keep saying I had 21 days off as an Atlas FO. Which is not true, but would be using your litmus test.
You can fudge this any way you want, but an unused rsv day is not a day off. It only works for very few people and its never consistent.
Or I will just keep saying I had 21 days off as an Atlas FO. Which is not true, but would be using your litmus test.
12-24-2021, 11:04 AM
#45
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,102
Originally Posted by CBreezy
That's why I go back and forth from reserve to line. And I do commute. I obviously don't consider unused short call days as "off" because, even though I slept in my bed both nights, I still had to be "at work.''. It might be a little different if I lived in base. I know guys in Park City that sit SC from the chairlifts.
That's why we qualify years at airlines. It gives you insight into the effect of seniority and how it can both compensate you and improve QOL. At my airline, if you are unconcerned with money, you can drop reserve days in the middle of a stretch. If your seat has a low ALV, guys pick up anything two days or less and lowers your chances of getting used on reserve if you only have 2 or 3 days available at a time.
I just vehemently disagree that the only thing we can compare is contractual days off vs how much you make. It isn't an accurate picture at all.
That's why we qualify years at airlines. It gives you insight into the effect of seniority and how it can both compensate you and improve QOL. At my airline, if you are unconcerned with money, you can drop reserve days in the middle of a stretch. If your seat has a low ALV, guys pick up anything two days or less and lowers your chances of getting used on reserve if you only have 2 or 3 days available at a time.
I just vehemently disagree that the only thing we can compare is contractual days off vs how much you make. It isn't an accurate picture at all.
12-24-2021, 11:12 AM
#46
In a land of unicorns
Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: Whale FO
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
No. That isn't at all what I said. You still worked on those days. And it works for more than a few people at my airline. I'm fairly junior and still managed to work single digit days this fall on reserve.
12-24-2021, 11:48 AM
#47
Line Holder
Joined APC: Oct 2020
Position: Gear Slinger
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Originally Posted by DeltaDave2022
Eating breakfast at home. Watching tv . Playing with the dog. Hanging out with family. Going to gym. Going out to dinner. Skipping town cause you got a 12 hour call out. Sleeping in your own bed. Not days off eh? Ill take notes while i credit 150 a month and report 10 days for work.
12-24-2021, 12:12 PM
#49
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2012
Posts: 2,102
Originally Posted by CBreezy
That's why I go back and forth from reserve to line. And I do commute. I obviously don't consider unused short call days as "off" because, even though I slept in my bed both nights, I still had to be "at work.''. It might be a little different if I lived in base. I know guys in Park City that sit SC from the chairlifts.
That's why we qualify years at airlines. It gives you insight into the effect of seniority and how it can both compensate you and improve QOL. At my airline, if you are unconcerned with money, you can drop reserve days in the middle of a stretch. If your seat has a low ALV, guys pick up anything two days or less and lowers your chances of getting used on reserve if you only have 2 or 3 days available at a time.
I just vehemently disagree that the only thing we can compare is contractual days off vs how much you make. It isn't an accurate picture at all.
That's why we qualify years at airlines. It gives you insight into the effect of seniority and how it can both compensate you and improve QOL. At my airline, if you are unconcerned with money, you can drop reserve days in the middle of a stretch. If your seat has a low ALV, guys pick up anything two days or less and lowers your chances of getting used on reserve if you only have 2 or 3 days available at a time.
I just vehemently disagree that the only thing we can compare is contractual days off vs how much you make. It isn't an accurate picture at all.
Last edited by fcoolaiddrinker; 12-24-2021 at 12:37 PM.
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