Extenda

I look at it like this: I have young two kids so when I’m on a true off day all I do is hang out with them in the house all day. We don’t really make long term plans right now. If I am on a reserve on call day (I live in base and can sit SC at home/go to the playground while on call) I don’t really change my behavior from that of a true off day. They are essentially the same to me. Different peoples circumstances make reserve on call days different.

fcoolaiddrinker

Yup. I would bid res often if I lived in a domicle.

jaxsurf

Thanks to the mods for clearing up the other thread, my intent was not to derail the thread; quite the opposite. Since this is it's own thread, the last thing I'll say on the matter is this.

It's great that people get to hang out with their families on long call days and do mostly the same stuff they would do on a true ("contractual" ) day off. But is it really useful to everyone else looking in that doesn't work at your company and who is not at your base, on your equipment, at your seniority level? It's disingenuous at best, and lying at worst. When people ask questions you have to dance around and qualify things, because you're introducing your own special definition of something. It already caused confusion between two people who work at the same company and are at the same seniority. Is it really worth it? It's not useful for the rest of us in the context of that thread. So, while not being used on long call is great, calling it a day off muddies the waters and prevents people from truly understanding the differences between the pay scales and contracts at various companies and how people end up with their year end compensation. I don't think that benefits anyone, but that's just me.

Anyway, I'm out.

BobbyLeeSwagger

LCR while not a day off may provide very nice QOL and improve some kind of earnings-to-block ratio if that's important to you. Under most rules you can do short trips for fun, driving day trips, drink, do any and all local activities you desire. May very well seem like a day off most times, but you aren't 100% free to, for example, take the family to Europe for vacation. The company doesn't view it as an off day- that's why you're paid!

in the context of earnings, its irrelevant how often you were not used because that is a function of variables that go beyond the scope of work rules (summer vs winter, overstaffed vs understaffed etc)

Roy Biggins

Hey you saw us getting derailed and swung us over to another track 😂….good move

dera

For the context of the original thread, calling an unused rsv day a day off muddles the waters because it is entirely subjective if you can do it or not.
The next step from that is to call every night you are home a "day off" because you get to play with your kids.

So in this context, it should not be considered a day off, because it is not a level playing field and you cant really compare your QOL to others that way.

CBreezy

But that isn't a day off, it's a night off. And we routinely see people describing their QOL in terms of nights away from home. It's one of the big QOL gains for living in base at a place like Allegiant.

Just saying "I had 12 days off" doesn't tell the whole story. You could have 12 days off but no trips commutable on both ends. Or you could have 12 days off with every night at home in bed. That's why we say things like, "I bid long call and only work one trip a month." No, the rest of the days aren't "off." Yes, it's an incredible QOL multiplier when you can do that if that's what you want.

fcoolaiddrinker

that and if your commuting sitting in a crash pad no way that’s a day off. With the crazy displacement bids management everywhere ran a year and a half ago it looked like there was going to be plenty of that going on.

fcoolaiddrinker

while you make some good points that I agree with your looking at res when times are good and it’s working out because you live in a domicile. When times are bad you’ll need the language as well. If you didn’t live in a domicile or we’re being used regularly I’ll bet you wouldn’t consider it a day off?

Cyio

This seems like a silly topic. The very definition of “day off” ends the controversy.

A day away from work, school, or a similar obligation; a free day.

If you are sitting reserve, you are obligated to return a call from crew scheduling. Can’t be a day off if you have an obligation regardless of actually being used or not.