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Old 03-31-2022 | 10:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Hellafo
Since you typed FedEx, why not UPS? Curious why you're discounting one of the highest paying gigs out there.
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Old 04-01-2022 | 11:41 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
It makes no logical sense that we ignore commuting and its effects on fatigue.

but pilots have long embraced doublespeak in matters of scheduling and fatigue. We don’t actually want real improvement in such matters
I can only speak for FedEx, but I'm a commuter. I'm also a grown up, so I plan my commute for the trip I'm going to fly. Do you know who's more tired than I am? The guy who doesn't commute, lived in Memphis and before showing up for the trip he:
1. took his wife's car in to the shop
2. ran to see his kid play t-ball
3. after coming home, mowed the lawn because he's about to leave on a 10 day trip and it needs to get done
4. has dinner with the family
5. helps the kids with homework
6. rushed to pack his bag because it's not done yet and he has to get ready to go
7. drives 45 minutes into work to get there before show time

Meanwhile I got 3 hours of sleep on the jumpseat and another 2 hours in a sleep room before show. But, yeah, it's commuters who we have to watch out for...
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Old 04-02-2022 | 04:22 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
It makes no logical sense that we ignore commuting and its effects on fatigue.

but pilots have long embraced doublespeak in matters of scheduling and fatigue. We don’t actually want real improvement in such matters
I disagree 💯. Certainly there are people who make poor decisions WRT commutes. Just like the are ones who make poor decisions driving in to work. I was on a trip with a 630a show. I was the airport hotel. The captain woke up at 3am to drive to work. What do you think is more fatiguing?

​​​​​​I've seen it with same day commutes. I am on the early afternoon flight and take a nap. Then fly until midnight. The guy in flying with had to drive several hours into base which is a MUCH more exhausting activity than riding in the back.
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Old 04-02-2022 | 05:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I can only speak for FedEx, but I'm a commuter. I'm also a grown up, so I plan my commute for the trip I'm going to fly. Do you know who's more tired than I am? The guy who doesn't commute, lived in Memphis and before showing up for the trip he:
1. took his wife's car in to the shop
2. ran to see his kid play t-ball
3. after coming home, mowed the lawn because he's about to leave on a 10 day trip and it needs to get done
4. has dinner with the family
5. helps the kids with homework
6. rushed to pack his bag because it's not done yet and he has to get ready to go
7. drives 45 minutes into work to get there before show time

Meanwhile I got 3 hours of sleep on the jumpseat and another 2 hours in a sleep room before show. But, yeah, it's commuters who we have to watch out for...

None of this is credible. What FedEx pilot mows his own lawn?
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Old 04-02-2022 | 06:43 AM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
N What FedEx pilot mows his own lawn?
Everyone of the cheap bastards...
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Old 04-02-2022 | 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
I can only speak for FedEx, but I'm a commuter. I'm also a grown up, so I plan my commute for the trip I'm going to fly. Do you know who's more tired than I am? The guy who doesn't commute, lived in Memphis and before showing up for the trip he:
1. took his wife's car in to the shop
2. ran to see his kid play t-ball
3. after coming home, mowed the lawn because he's about to leave on a 10 day trip and it needs to get done
4. has dinner with the family
5. helps the kids with homework
6. rushed to pack his bag because it's not done yet and he has to get ready to go
7. drives 45 minutes into work to get there before show time

Meanwhile I got 3 hours of sleep on the jumpseat and another 2 hours in a sleep room before show. But, yeah, it's commuters who we have to watch out for...
i like the part where you call yourself a grown up and then pretend nobody else is.
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Old 04-02-2022 | 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I assume you did not follow events after the Colgan accident. We came very close to having commuting count toward rest and duty requirements. ALPA beat that off last time. If we have another accident where poor commuting choices are a factor they won’t win that issue again.
Let them try that🤣 take the current pilot shortage and multiply it by 10X. Won’t fly in the court of public opinion when Grandma can’t see her grandkids easily.

Already enough public backlash with minor disruptions

https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/...p=hp1bt4,hp1bt


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Old 04-03-2022 | 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by dualinput
None of this is credible. What FedEx pilot mows his own lawn?
Literally every single one of them who lives in MEM, they bought that Kubota for a reason.
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Old 04-03-2022 | 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by OOfff
i like the part where you call yourself a grown up and then pretend nobody else is.
Where did I pretend that no one else is?

Just because I say that I am something doesn't mean I think that no one else is.

"I'm a pilot." Doesn't mean I think no one else is a pilot.

Nearly all of the people I fly with plan their pre-work activities whether it's at home, or commuting to arrive to work ready for their flight. Some don't. Just because some people don't manage their commutes well, doesn't mean all do. And I don't think we need to regulate commuting. We're all grown ups (better?)

I just don't like the pervasive thought that somehow commuters are more fatigued than people who live in base. I know how crazy things can get before a trip when you're trying to spend time with the family and stomp out any last minute fires before leaving. I don't believe that living in base makes you magically more rested than someone who commutes in.
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Old 04-03-2022 | 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Sluggo_63
Where did I pretend that no one else is?

Just because I say that I am something doesn't mean I think that no one else is.

"I'm a pilot." Doesn't mean I think no one else is a pilot.

Nearly all of the people I fly with plan their pre-work activities whether it's at home, or commuting to arrive to work ready for their flight. Some don't. Just because some people don't manage their commutes well, doesn't mean all do. And I don't think we need to regulate commuting. We're all grown ups (better?)

I just don't like the pervasive thought that somehow commuters are more fatigued than people who live in base. I know how crazy things can get before a trip when you're trying to spend time with the family and stomp out any last minute fires before leaving. I don't believe that living in base makes you magically more rested than someone who commutes in.
commuters don’t spend time with family or stomp out fires before leaving?
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