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01-12-2022, 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They don't b!tch, but in the 21st century they do on occasion spontaneously combust. I have long-haul friends who lose sleep over that pallet of batteries on over-water flights.
01-12-2022, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by cliffnd
You make fair statements, until your last sentence. Using DXB and BHM as your proof that cargo is somehow less safe overall is a bit disingenuous. Considering the events of 9/11 were all on “Pax majors”…”in recent history,” you appear to be cherry picking to support your life decisions.
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Plenty of upside to cargo too,and everybody knows the top tier make huge bank and second tier do pretty well too.
01-12-2022, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Don't get butthert, I didn't say "cargo was less safe" I said it's different rules, some of which of which equate to risk. Those two events have clear root causes in operating rules which are simply more business-friendly than the equivalent rules for pax.
Plenty of upside to cargo too,and everybody knows the top tier make huge bank and second tier do pretty well too.
Plenty of upside to cargo too,and everybody knows the top tier make huge bank and second tier do pretty well too.
Nobody said I was mad. Where did you get that from? I even said you made fair points. Did you miss that part? But considering the context of this thread and the original post, I think you overstepped your expertise with your safety point which you tried to make with your batteries blowing up and planes crashing examples. My point is going there is conveniently ignoring the known equal if not greater risks involved with passenger carriers even at the majors. Listen, we all justify why we are where we are, and in case you are wondering, yes, my assessment of a lower life threatening environment was in my top 3 reasons of why I left a major pax carrier for the cargo world. I’m fortunate to have had the option and understand some never have. Regardless, hopefully we all have good careers and can enjoy beers with each other at the bar.
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01-12-2022, 10:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I know progress has been made, especially after the DXB incident. Not sure how much of that is regulatory, vice airline policy.
In sum total, the safety regs for 121 pax operations (cargo, 117) are a factor to consider but obviously not the only factor, and individuals can weight it in any manner they see fit. I considered safety because of my family. Pax majors don't have DXB or BHM events in recent history.
In sum total, the safety regs for 121 pax operations (cargo, 117) are a factor to consider but obviously not the only factor, and individuals can weight it in any manner they see fit. I considered safety because of my family. Pax majors don't have DXB or BHM events in recent history.
Does your equation change if you don’t do long haul cargo? Because that’s extremely easy to do at FedEx.
01-13-2022, 07:04 AM
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Originally Posted by FXLAX
Does your equation change if you don’t do long haul cargo? Because that’s extremely easy to do at FedEx.
I'm not saying don't do it, just something to consider. FDX/UPS are great gigs, but no need to pretend that they're perfect in every way with no downside compared to pax.
If I had owned a crystal ball, I would have done the cargo route, to avoid covid-induced financial issues over the last couple years. But that's 20/20.
01-13-2022, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by cliffnd
Nobody said I was mad. Where did you get that from? I even said you made fair points. Did you miss that part? But considering the context of this thread and the original post, I think you overstepped your expertise with your safety point which you tried to make with your batteries blowing up and planes crashing examples. My point is going there is conveniently ignoring the known equal if not greater risks involved with passenger carriers even at the majors. Listen, we all justify why we are where we are, and in case you are wondering, yes, my assessment of a lower life threatening environment was in my top 3 reasons of why I left a major pax carrier for the cargo world. I’m fortunate to have had the option and understand some never have. Regardless, hopefully we all have good careers and can enjoy beers with each other at the bar.
01-13-2022, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Some, sure, since you have better odds of getting on the ground safely in the event of cargo fire (ex. PHL). Doesn't change the 117 issue.
I'm not saying don't do it, just something to consider. FDX/UPS are great gigs, but no need to pretend that they're perfect in every way with no downside compared to pax.
If I had owned a crystal ball, I would have done the cargo route, to avoid covid-induced financial issues over the last couple years. But that's 20/20.
I'm not saying don't do it, just something to consider. FDX/UPS are great gigs, but no need to pretend that they're perfect in every way with no downside compared to pax.
If I had owned a crystal ball, I would have done the cargo route, to avoid covid-induced financial issues over the last couple years. But that's 20/20.
Part 117 is a good point. Some of that is mitigated by the contract.
01-16-2022, 11:39 AM
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Sounds like FedEx should be my top priority, which is inline with my initial impressions. I’m thinking I will hold out on putting in apps for United and Delta until I meet the mins for FedEx, and then can submit all three apps at once. Thanks for all the comments.
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