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Texasbound 02-23-2022 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by TransWorld (Post 3377735)
Key and Critical instrumentation and Equipment need to be redundant. Commercial airplanes have two engines for this very reason.

A sub-mode of the Speed Trim System is not Critical instrumentation or Equipment because malfunctions were not rated greater than hazardous by the FAA.

Yes, the FAA determines that. The 737 MAX was certified compliant and airworthy by the FAA.

For those that think Boeing self certifies look at you pilot license. Is it issued by your airline or the FAA? Oh, the FAA, but it was an airline employee DPE that gave me my check!!! Would love for someone to explain to me how Designated Engineering Representatives at Boeing are falsifying data that is recorded on an instrumented airplane? That data is sent to the FAA for final review. Flight test data is flight test data. The FAA is still the final signature even though they don't always do the flights. Many of the flights their pilots are not qualified to do. But guess what flights they did do? All the ones certifying MCAS. Something the FAA has so far been able to keep quiet.

Bluedriver 03-05-2022 04:04 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3375857)
I got through part of the trailer. And it just looked like an "evil capitalist, government good" propaganda film.

It wasn't, and there was much to learn in it with respect to Boeing INTENTIONALLY hiding the risks and presence of MCAS, as well as the fact they KNEW internally that the system required additional pilot training (or a fatal crash was all but certain) and still decided not to recommend that training, much less acknowledge the existence of the system itself.

The IRONY of avoiding a documentary for the reasons you state all the while being unable to see the massive risks present in the real life scenario that is more or less the inverse of what you abhor. This is a glaring example of unfettered capitalism and outright missing government regulation.

SonicFlyer 03-05-2022 04:15 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3383386)
It wasn't, and there was much to learn in it with respect to Boeing INTENTIONALLY hiding the risks and presence of MCAS, as well as the fact they KNEW internally that the system required additional pilot training (or a fatal crash was all but certain) and still decided not to recommend that training, much less acknowledge the existence of the system itself.

The IRONY of avoiding a documentary for the reasons you state all the while being unable to see the massive risks present in the real life scenario that is more or less the inverse of what you abhor. This is a glaring example of unfettered capitalism and outright missing government regulation.

Does the documentary equally blame the government for putting Boeing in this position in the first place and also for not following up on the regulatory side?

symbian simian 03-05-2022 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3383391)
Does the documentary equally blame the government for putting Boeing in this position in the first place and also for not following up on the regulatory side?

So you agree there should be more regulatory oversight, stop the whole Designee Program and have a bigger federal budget to make that happen? If so, I completely agree with you.

GogglesPisano 03-05-2022 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3383463)
So you agree there should be more regulatory oversight, stop the whole Designee Program and have a bigger federal budget to make that happen? If so, I completely agree with you.

Sonic is getting rusty. He hasn't found a way to blame unions yet. :p

OOfff 03-05-2022 10:21 AM

If not for those darned regulations, Boeing would have complied with the regulations

SonicFlyer 03-05-2022 11:04 AM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3383463)
So you agree there should be more regulatory oversight, stop the whole Designee Program and have a bigger federal budget to make that happen? If so, I completely agree with you.

No, but the government is clearly causing problems here with it's half-way regulation system.

OOfff 03-05-2022 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3383698)
No, but the government is clearly causing problems here with it's half-way regulation system.

if only Boeing could get the boot off their neck so they could make a safe airplane

symbian simian 03-06-2022 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3383698)
No, but the government is clearly causing problems here with it's half-way regulation system.

Yeah, I’m going to hazard a guess. Your party is more responsible for that than my party.

SonicFlyer 03-06-2022 06:34 PM


Originally Posted by symbian simian (Post 3384238)
Yeah, I’m going to hazard a guess. Your party is more responsible for that than my party.

Both political parties are generally at fault, and equally too.


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