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rickair7777 02-20-2022 07:24 AM


Originally Posted by METO Guido (Post 3375752)
Bull. It was FBW logic design error. Speed taped with a bulletin. Didn't work. Remind me, how much did Bluto walk out the door in severance?


Yes. IMO BCA's fundamental failure here was that they forgot who they were selling airplanes to.

Airbus OTH has always had a very good understanding of who and how would operate their planes.

METO Guido 02-20-2022 07:50 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3375816)
Yes. IMO BCA's fundamental failure here was that they forgot who they were selling airplanes to.

Airbus OTH has always had a very good understanding of who and how would operate their planes.

I think that's clearly part of it, now. No one did this intentionally, important for a non-kerosene soaked reader to understand. Augmented flight, IMHO software overriding pilot flight control commands via sensor signals, is FBW regardless how the stab or any another control surface is mechanically actuated. Eliminating the burden of oversight in airframe prime operations means board level decision making doesn't get to just stomp production, engineering judgement into submission. As boss Mulally was quoted as saying something like; "making airliners, you can't afford to screw around." Amen.

And thank you:)

EnergyManager 02-20-2022 07:55 AM

The politicians pointing fingers really ****ed me off. All of them guilty of subsidizing Boeing’s decline by continually bailing them out instead of forcing them to compete. That is the root cause of the disease that is killing Boeing. No amount of regulation or oversight is gonna fix that. Only the invisible hand of the free market will.

hercretired 02-20-2022 08:02 AM


Originally Posted by EnergyManager (Post 3375838)
The politicians pointing fingers really ****ed me off. All of them guilty of subsidizing Boeing’s decline by continually bailing them out instead of forcing them to compete. That is the root cause of the disease that is killing Boeing. No amount of regulation or oversight is gonna fix that. Only the invisible hand of the free market will.

correct 200%

PNWFlyer 02-20-2022 08:03 AM


Originally Posted by EnergyManager (Post 3375838)
The politicians pointing fingers really ****ed me off. All of them guilty of subsidizing Boeing’s decline by continually bailing them out instead of forcing them to compete. That is the root cause of the disease that is killing Boeing. No amount of regulation or oversight is gonna fix that. Only the invisible hand of the free market will.

i think you are confusing Boeing with the Airlines. Boeing did not receive bailout money. They were offered it but declined.

SonicFlyer 02-20-2022 08:23 AM

I got through part of the trailer. And it just looked like an "evil capitalist, government good" propaganda film.

SonicFlyer 02-20-2022 08:25 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3375842)
i think you are confusing Boeing with the Airlines. Boeing did not receive bailout money. They were offered it but declined.

Boeing gets subsidies from the government in many other ways... Export-Import Bank for instance, and of course DoD contracts.

BeatNavy 02-20-2022 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3375842)
i think you are confusing Boeing with the Airlines. Boeing did not receive bailout money. They were offered it but declined.

https://subsidytracker.goodjobsfirst.org/parent/boeing

and

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coron...outputType=amp

EnergyManager 02-20-2022 08:58 AM


Originally Posted by SonicFlyer (Post 3375859)
Boeing gets subsidies from the government in many other ways... Export-Import Bank for instance, and of course DoD contracts.

Exactly.

Not to mention when the US placed massive tariff on the then CS100/300, an aircraft range/size class Boeing had given up on.

Or the whole tanker A330/B767 debacle. Again, government protectionist policies ruin companies by removing the financial incentive to innovate and build the best product. If you build a good product, it sells itself.

That is the root of the problem. Boeing’s management style and decline is a symptom of the disease, not the cause. Just look at the auto industry in the US to see where Boeing will end up if it continues. Constant bail outs and worse products. 🤦‍♂️

TiredSoul 02-20-2022 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by PNWFlyer (Post 3375635)
it failed on 3 previous flights. All those crews handled the emergency just fine.

on the last second flight yes. It was replaced with a counterfeit part and pencil whipped.

they also forgot to mention the FAA retained certification for MCAS.

They got the merger stuff right but we’re wrong about the anything about the MAX. MCAS was about certification flights. Stick force per G. It was not to push the nose down like the media loves to say.

If I recall correctly it was a AOA unit which had not been calibrated (correctly).


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