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Old 02-19-2022 | 05:36 PM
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Netflix documentary- Downfall

Sad to see what’s become of Boeing.

https://www.latimes.com/entertainmen...eing?_amp=true
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Old 02-19-2022 | 05:41 PM
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I thought it was a good production, that show. I left my "pro-Boeing" bias at the door.

The fact that bean counters started to influence things versus the engineers, and ruined a formerly great company, is widely known. The move to Chicago did not help.
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Old 02-19-2022 | 06:10 PM
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Well, they sure left a few key details out.
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Old 02-19-2022 | 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
Well, they sure left a few key details out.
Didn’t the AOA fail on the previous flight or something of that nature? And it was pencil whipped and put back into service on one of those flights?
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Old 02-19-2022 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by avi8orco
Didn’t the AOA fail on the previous flight or something of that nature? And it was pencil whipped and put back into service on one of those flights?
it failed on 3 previous flights. All those crews handled the emergency just fine.

on the last second flight yes. It was replaced with a counterfeit part and pencil whipped. Failed when crew took off. They disable the stick shaker and flew from Bali to Jakarta with the stab cutout switched off. Then only wrote up the unreliable airspeed, not the AOA issue. Plane crashed the next morning.

they also forgot to mention the Ethiopian crew turn the stab trim switches back on to try and engage the autopilot.

they also forgot to mention the FAA retained certification for MCAS. They did now about the expanded envelope and that was in the DOJ report.

They got the merger stuff right but we’re wrong about the anything about the MAX. MCAS was about certification flights. Stick force per G. It was not to push the nose down like the media loves to say.
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Old 02-20-2022 | 02:00 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
it failed on 3 previous flights. All those crews handled the emergency just fine.

on the last second flight yes. It was replaced with a counterfeit part and pencil whipped. Failed when crew took off. They disable the stick shaker and flew from Bali to Jakarta with the stab cutout switched off. Then only wrote up the unreliable airspeed, not the AOA issue. Plane crashed the next morning.

they also forgot to mention the Ethiopian crew turn the stab trim switches back on to try and engage the autopilot.

they also forgot to mention the FAA retained certification for MCAS. They did now about the expanded envelope and that was in the DOJ report.

They got the merger stuff right but we’re wrong about the anything about the MAX. MCAS was about certification flights. Stick force per G. It was not to push the nose down like the media loves to say.
I’m not doubting you, but where did you find that information?
I’d like to have it when I talk the folks who only watch cable news.
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Old 02-20-2022 | 05:33 AM
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Originally Posted by PNWFlyer
it failed on 3 previous flights. All those crews handled the emergency just fine.

they also forgot to mention the FAA retained certification for MCAS. They did now about the expanded envelope and that was in the DOJ report.
Bull. It was FBW logic design error. Speed taped with a bulletin. Didn't work. Remind me, how much did Bluto walk out the door in severance?
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Old 02-20-2022 | 06:34 AM
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Anyone seen the Boeing/ 787 documentary from years ago on Al Jazeera America?

It's definitely worth a watch. They go do into how the company went from being run by engineers to bean counters and the shift in focus from quality product to stock price.

And it included undercover camera of guys in the S. Carolina factory admiting they had no idea what they were doing while on the assembly line.
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Old 02-20-2022 | 06:42 AM
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They should have mentioned that Boeing offered a rebate of 1 million per airframe to Southwest if sim training for MAX was required.
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Old 02-20-2022 | 07:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Hobbit64
I’m not doubting you, but where did you find that information?
I’d like to have it when I talk the folks who only watch cable news.
it’s buried in the Lion Air Accident report. Mentions the Captain in Bali talking to maintenance about the previous write ups. Specially asked what they did differ this time. Maintenance said the replaced the AOA vane. You have to read the original report.

the stuff about the FAA is in the DOJ report and buried in the 2 congressional reports. If you take the time to comb through the hundreds of pages it is there.
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