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Old 03-03-2022, 10:11 AM
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That doesn’t mean they are in the black. Quarterly profit means almost nothing. Showing profit is not the same as debt free or in the black. My wife proves that every month with her credit card.
There are 0 public airlines in the USA that carry no debt. Every airline is carrying some type of debt. Alaska and frontier carrying the least (which will probably change after the spirit merger).
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Old 03-03-2022, 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by YerOnGuard View Post
That doesn’t mean they are in the black. Quarterly profit means almost nothing. Showing profit is not the same as debt free or in the black. My wife proves that every month with her credit card.
at the most basic level it means they made money that quarter. There is more complexities with accounting at that level but in general they made money. DL was carrying some debt in January 2020 when they announced over 6 billion in PTIX profit. Guess they were not in the black then either huh😏


running the finances on a major Fortune 500 company is not even comparable to your family credit card.
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:05 PM
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We’re in completely uncharted territory with the Russian sanctions—never has a G20 economy had it removed from the world economy. Russia can’t sell barrels of existing Ural benchmark crude at US$23 off the current price. No one has idea what the knock-on effects of collapsing a 1.5 trillion economy looks like. Wait and see.
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Old 03-03-2022, 02:19 PM
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There already is a shortfall, it's just getting worse. They have been saying they can't and/or won't raise production all along. I guess there is supposed to be some sort of deal with the democratic and freedom loving government of Iran to allow their oil. Meanwhile, we cancel leases and pipelines at home.
They will only let it go so far, they will not intentionally create a global recession for short-term profit.
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They will only let it go so far, they will not intentionally create a global recession for short-term profit.
Man, I wish I had as much trust in dictators as you do.
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer View Post
We’re in completely uncharted territory with the Russian sanctions—never has a G20 economy had it removed from the world economy. Russia can’t sell barrels of existing Ural benchmark crude at US$23 off the current price. No one has idea what the knock-on effects of collapsing a 1.5 trillion economy looks like. Wait and see.
The effects will be about the same as shutting down people's livelihoods, blocking doctors from being able to use generic medications to attempt to treat sick people, and allowing rioters to destroy cities, then printing trillions of dollars to pay for it all were, or probably worse, since they didn't even allow for recovery from the first thing.
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Old 03-03-2022, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777 View Post
They will only let it go so far, they will not intentionally create a global recession for short-term profit.
didnt it get to $140/bbl in 2007/08 timeframe? I don’t think opec will be upset if prices go higher than they are now, and don’t think they will do much to drive the price down significantly.
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Old 03-03-2022, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by chihuahua View Post
Who actually made it out of the red?
Delta was profitable in the last quarter without accounting for cares money.
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Old 03-03-2022, 04:57 PM
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didnt it get to $140/bbl in 2007/08 timeframe? I don’t think opec will be upset if prices go higher than they are now, and don’t think they will do much to drive the price down significantly.

They don't want to encourage the migration to green energy any more than they have to. They might cash in for a few weeks or a couple of months.

2008 was different, it was almost a "peak oil" scenario... based on old technology. Subsequently we've developed new tech which has opened up a LOT of previously inaccessible or impractical oil reserves (fracking, etc). The new tech deployment, enabled in 2008, should still offer enough capacity to offset RU.

Course it will be nice if our masters here in the US of A allow production of our own reserves.
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When I was hired I was told in indoc that “rolling thunder” (fabulous premium pay strategy) would be there for all who wanted it and there was no end in sight for the hiring wave in progress.

There were a couple more classes hired, a merger was announced, we we suddenly overstaffed and hiring didn’t resume for years. Also : ”Premium pay? What’s that?”

TLDR; This is the airlines. Nobody knows. Ever. Oil spikes. Pandemic. Terrorism. Bad acquisitions. War.

Don’t worry about it, because you can’t change any of it.

Hope that helped clear things up.

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