ALPA: Don't raise retirement age
05-30-2022 | 11:52 AM
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First off, wages will not go down, and with inflation, they have to increase just to keep the same buying power. Why would the unions let wages decrease? Your statement makes zero sense.
That accident had nothing to do with the total time of the pilots involved. This has been explained, please try and keep up.
That accident had nothing to do with the total time of the pilots involved. This has been explained, please try and keep up.
There's a lot you can learn in 1500 hours. And again, even if you don't learn, it provides a lot of chances for idiots to be selected out of this career. Or to self select themselves out of existence before they take 50 terrified passengers with them.
But I don't expect you to agree to any of this, because it's bad for your bottom line
05-30-2022 | 12:23 PM
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Renslow was hired at Colgan with 618 total time. Ergo, the ATP rule would have precluded his being hired at Colgan. Had he been subjected to the ATP rule, he would have needed close to 900 more hours. He would have had many more opportunities to learn and command a smaller aircraft before commanding a transport category aircraft. Even if he resisted learning anything from CFI'ing those 900 hours, it would have provided more opportunity to stall in real life.
There's a lot you can learn in 1500 hours. And again, even if you don't learn, it provides a lot of chances for idiots to be selected out of this career. Or to self select themselves out of existence before they take 50 terrified passengers with them.
But I don't expect you to agree to any of this, because it's bad for your bottom line
There's a lot you can learn in 1500 hours. And again, even if you don't learn, it provides a lot of chances for idiots to be selected out of this career. Or to self select themselves out of existence before they take 50 terrified passengers with them.
But I don't expect you to agree to any of this, because it's bad for your bottom line
05-30-2022 | 01:17 PM
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First off, wages will not go down, and with inflation, they have to increase just to keep the same buying power. Why would the unions let wages decrease? Your statement makes zero sense.
That accident had nothing to do with the total time of the pilots involved. This has been explained, please try and keep up.
That accident had nothing to do with the total time of the pilots involved. This has been explained, please try and keep up.
05-30-2022 | 01:48 PM
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Summary....if the massive retirements get reduced to ZERO for three years and the 1500 hour requirement gets reduced like you are advocating for, there will be more ATP holding "Pilots" than landscapers in a Home Depot parking lot......AND WAGES WILL GO DOWN.
Do you have a hard time keeping conversations straight in your head?
05-30-2022 | 04:04 PM
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Correlation doesn't equal causation.
Renslow was hired at Colgan with 618 total time. Ergo, the ATP rule would have precluded his being hired at Colgan. Had he been subjected to the ATP rule, he would have needed close to 900 more hours. He would have had many more opportunities to learn and command a smaller aircraft before commanding a transport category aircraft. Even if he resisted learning anything from CFI'ing those 900 hours, it would have provided more opportunity to stall in real life.
There's a lot you can learn in 1500 hours. And again, even if you don't learn, it provides a lot of chances for idiots to be selected out of this career. Or to self select themselves out of existence before they take 50 terrified passengers with them.
There's a lot you can learn in 1500 hours. And again, even if you don't learn, it provides a lot of chances for idiots to be selected out of this career. Or to self select themselves out of existence before they take 50 terrified passengers with them.
05-30-2022 | 04:44 PM
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You are REALLY bad at math.
Except that the unions wouldn't let that happen. And even if the 1500 hour rule was lowered, and the retirement age were extended, that would only ease the problem, not solve it long term.
Correlation doesn't equal causation.Maybe, but it has never been substantiated with numbers. So it's nothing more than a thin justification used by politicians, bureaucrats, and union hacks.
Except that the unions wouldn't let that happen. And even if the 1500 hour rule was lowered, and the retirement age were extended, that would only ease the problem, not solve it long term.
Correlation doesn't equal causation.Maybe, but it has never been substantiated with numbers. So it's nothing more than a thin justification used by politicians, bureaucrats, and union hacks.
This is like watching that guy crash his homebuilt rocketship trying to prove the Earth is flat.
When you aren't here providing comic relief to actual airline pilots does your job involve balloons, big floppy shoes, and a red nose?
05-30-2022 | 05:04 PM
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Nah he’s likely a Boeing test pilot.
05-31-2022 | 02:19 AM
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I was hired in early 2000 at Eagle. I had a recent ATP and 600 multi at the time and was bottom of the barrel in experience in my class. A few years later and we had very low time folks get hired.
The cycle does funny things.
I know a guy long retired from Northwest who was hired at his first airline before he even had an instrument rating.
The cycle does funny things.
I know a guy long retired from Northwest who was hired at his first airline before he even had an instrument rating.
06-01-2022 | 06:00 AM
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That happened at multiple airlines (majors) around the 1960's. It was also a very different era from a safety perspective. Most of those noob also got to fly the panel for a while too, for whatever that's worth.
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