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Old 06-27-2022 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
If ALPA negotiated a retirement plan I would be gone tomorrow. ALPA is the one in bed with management not me.
No pension. End of discussion.
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Old 06-27-2022 | 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
If ALPA negotiated a retirement plan I would be gone tomorrow. ALPA is the one in bed with management not me.
Plenty of old articles out there explaining how pilots lost their pensions. I believe Wall Street and some hedge funds convinced companies like UAL and Delta to put all pension investments in the stock market and ALPA signed off on it.

I also don't think we have a pilot shortage if airlines are still flying 9 legs a day between Greenville and Charlotte, Denver and Colorado Springs, Lansing and Detroit, etc ... Seems like if they wanted to free up some crews they could reduce the flights that people can drive.
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Old 06-27-2022 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Just one.

Sully's the US representative to ICAO.
I think he just resigned that post on Friday.
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Old 06-27-2022 | 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Plenty of old articles out there explaining how pilots lost their pensions. I believe Wall Street and some hedge funds convinced companies like UAL and Delta to put all pension investments in the stock market and ALPA signed off on it.

I also don't think we have a pilot shortage if airlines are still flying 9 legs a day between Greenville and Charlotte, Denver and Colorado Springs, Lansing and Detroit, etc ... Seems like if they wanted to free up some crews they could reduce the flights that people can drive.
they intentionally underfunded the pension to wash them all in bankruptcy
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Old 06-27-2022 | 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
I think he just resigned that post on Friday.
You are correct sir.
https://montrealgazette.com/news/loc...real-icao-post
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Old 06-27-2022 | 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Maybe he is getting current so he can come back now that his work is done at the ICAO.
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Old 06-27-2022 | 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Moonbeam
Maybe he is getting current so he can come back now that his work is done at the ICAO.
He's 71 years old. Living in Canuckland in the winter has gotta suck, especially when your bones already creak from age.
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Old 06-27-2022 | 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Profane Kahuna
Got it. Management made a crappy offer, but you are blaming your union instead.
Our union got played. I don't blame management; theywere negotiating against our Forrest Gump union reps. It's our fault for not putting our union on a shorter leash.
My solution would be to do the Delta thing and replace our entire ALPA team from top to bottom. Repairing our union isn't a renovation job; it's a termite infested complete teardown and rebuild.
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Old 06-28-2022 | 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025
Aside from forwarding lousy contracts ALPA backing the madatory retirement age is probably the dumbest move ever. Parked airplanes = lost jobs and revenue ( dues paying revenue). We all know age 60/65 rule has nothing to do with health and safety and everything to do with politics..ALPA strongly opposed it in 1958 so what changed other than people living much longer lives? Absolutely a stupid move.
Life expectancy for one thing. Still rising in '58. Cooler cars too. Age degradation is weighed on a fitness scale. To shift the burden of ruling the formerly qualified unfit onto AME's & checking staff is hit or miss at best. Easy to conceive, very hard to execute. If the TA fails, there's always ESOPII https://youtu.be/NwD8otBeIJk
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