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Old 03-05-2024 | 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
Yep, as for longevity, Americans are number 47 on the list of all countries. This is quite low considering our access to modern medicine. The pills keep us alive despite the fact that we are pretty unhealthy.
And the fact that now those pointy things that eradicated a bunch of diseases are now a controversial political topic doesn't help our collective lifespan
Old 03-05-2024 | 06:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
And the fact that now those pointy things that eradicated a bunch of diseases are now a controversial political topic doesn't help our collective lifespan
Paging Doctor Arrington!
Old 03-05-2024 | 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
It would be kinda hard to quantify since the quality of our schedules changes with seniority. So, say you got two 50 yr old pilots on the same seat. One is a new hire who just retired after 30 yrs in the military and the other has 25 years with the company since he got lucky and hired at 25. What if the mil guy has a higher rate of incidents/ASAP's/ deviations? Is it because of his background? Is it because he's junior and flying 4 leg days while the senior dude of the same age is doing maybe 1 leg a day? I don't think one could come up with any significant conclusions considering all the variables you'd have to account for.

This does remind me of some study I read online about how military pilots scored embarrassingly low in empathy in some psych test.
There's hundreds of pilots in each seat at each airline and every age. AA has You could actually track each guys simulator flying. Guys flying more legs should do better. Keep track of how many busts, extra training days, etc. AA has 3,200 pilots 60+ and under 40 (+/- 50). At the Big 4 that's probably close to 10,000 in the two groups. How many people does a study need to have to be able to see any trends?
Old 03-05-2024 | 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sliceback
There's hundreds of pilots in each seat at each airline and every age. AA has You could actually track each guys simulator flying. Guys flying more legs should do better. Keep track of how many busts, extra training days, etc. AA has 3,200 pilots 60+ and under 40 (+/- 50). At the Big 4 that's probably close to 10,000 in the two groups. How many people does a study need to have to be able to see any trends?
Very important dataset missing from your study... 65+.
Old 03-05-2024 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Meme In Command
All the alcohol, the amount of radiation we are exposed to at altitude and sun exposure.
30 yrs of w/b flying would increase your death of dying from cancer by approx. 0.6% (130 mSv career exposure).
30 years of n/b flying would increase your death risk of dying from cancer by approx. 0.3% (80 mSv career exposure).
Old 03-05-2024 | 07:36 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
Very important dataset missing from your study... 65+.
Japan has had 65+ for 7 years. Australia has it. Canada has it. Part 135 has it. There's data out there. Shoot, ALPA has their own Age 65+ members.
Old 03-05-2024 | 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
Very important dataset missing from your study... 65+.
That data is available from Australia & New Zealand both no age limit for a long period. Canada no age limit where ALPO represents pilots and Japan 68.

Solution put grey on grey into effect. No pilot in the US over age 65 without a pilot under 65. Today there’s never been an accident due to an incapacitation.
Old 03-05-2024 | 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
Today there’s never been an accident due to an incapacitation.
Sudden incapacation is not the only risk for oldsters. Skill decline is ever-present.

Let's crack open the part 91K files to see how the 65+ crowd is doing statistically over there. Anecdotally, it's not great.
Old 03-05-2024 | 08:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ReluctantEskimo
Sudden incapacation is not the only risk for oldsters. Skill decline is ever-present.

Let's crack open the part 91K files to see how the 65+ crowd is doing statistically over there. Anecdotally, it's not great.
Anecdotally? Yeah, let's use that for a study.

But the files should be used. It's funny that an industry that prides itself on data, safety, tracking, etc, doesn't do that for the training or performance of it's pilots. You'd think the FAA and Congress would mandate it. Nope.
Old 03-05-2024 | 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Boeing Aviator
That data is available from Australia & New Zealand both no age limit for a long period. Canada no age limit where ALPO represents pilots and Japan 68.

Solution put grey on grey into effect. No pilot in the US over age 65 without a pilot under 65. Today there’s never been an accident due to an incapacitation.
I've watched 70+ and 70+ flying a G(x) a couple of times. If you're not worth hundreds of millions you're taking smaller jets. Yet their both their pilots were surprisingly old. What's the pilot incapacitation data for Part 135, 91K, 121, corporations, etc? By age group? Does the FAA track that?
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