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Old 03-10-2023, 08:02 AM
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Pull up any inflation calculator and punch in the 12yr CA rate from any previous contract. Adjusting for inflation we’re not seeing such massive % gains in hourly rates.
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Pull up any inflation calculator and punch in the 12yr CA rate from any previous contract. Adjusting for inflation we’re not seeing such massive % gains in hourly rates.
At these new supposedly unsustainable pay rates we are just now finally pulling even with inflation-adjusted 2000 pay rates.
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2 bank failures this week, this feel like 2008 all over again and all these contracts are about to get torn up?
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2 bank failures this week, this feel like 2008 all over again and all these contracts are about to get torn up?
Except those two banks had all their excess cash tied up in treasury bonds that are now worth less with the higher interest rates. Other lending institutions are more diversified. As of now this seems to be an isolated case.
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Old 03-10-2023, 10:31 AM
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A better question is whether the low rates of the past are sustainable? Obviously not or we wouldn’t have a pilot shortage right now. Market forces are a two-way street.
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Old 03-10-2023, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie View Post
At these new supposedly unsustainable pay rates we are just now finally pulling even with inflation-adjusted 2000 pay rates.
I doubt it. When I was comparing 2018 til now it was looking like just barely keeping up with those numbers.
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Old 03-10-2023, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Dorp View Post
Except those two banks had all their excess cash tied up in treasury bonds that are now worth less with the higher interest rates. Other lending institutions are more diversified. As of now this seems to be an isolated case.
I wouldn’t be so sure. This may be the tip of the iceberg. There aren’t many safe havens for cash, and fractional reserve banking relies on funny money floating around.
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Its whipsawing. I saw on a FA social media group of FAs losing their minds that "Greedy pilots are gonna bankrupt us!" Its just a way for corporate to pit the work groups against one another.

That’s when I whip out the All ATP brochure. When they see us chillin or dig about our paychecks. It’s America. Take out a huge loan, take a risk, and get rich or die trying.
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Originally Posted by bababouey View Post
2 bank failures this week, this feel like 2008 all over again and all these contracts are about to get torn up?
Here’s one of the two banks that you’re talking about.

Crypto Bank Silvergate Collapsed

Two days earlier, Silvergate, the crypto bank, collapsed. The bank was where most of the big crypto firms went, because traditional banks did not want to do business with them. And that reluctance stemmed from warnings from regulators who consider the crypto industry a risky sector.
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Old 03-10-2023, 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by tailendcharlie View Post
At these new supposedly unsustainable pay rates we are just now finally pulling even with inflation-adjusted 2000 pay rates.
not at Delta they are not.

our new 12 year WB CA rate is about 14-21% lower than the inflation adjusted rate for the 777 in the contract we had in 2001. 2001 is about 14%, 2004 is about 21%
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