Is the new bar set too high??
03-10-2023, 02:19 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by PilotBases
Travel bloggers as rule hate airline workers.
Pilots are overpaid button pushers, and I won’t even get into what they think of FAs.
We have the gaul to fly standby at get upgrades now and again is a major issue for them.
Pilots are overpaid button pushers, and I won’t even get into what they think of FAs.
We have the gaul to fly standby at get upgrades now and again is a major issue for them.
03-10-2023, 04:03 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by Swapapotamoose
https://onemileatatime.com/insights/pilot-pay-raises-sustainable/
Are the rates achieved by DL and likely UA and AA sustainable?
Are the rates achieved by DL and likely UA and AA sustainable?
03-10-2023, 05:03 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Pull up any inflation calculator and punch in the 12yr CA rate from any previous contract. Adjusting for inflation we’re not seeing such massive % gains in hourly rates.
Realistically I think you can kind of disregard pay rates prior to 2001, or at least consider them in the proper context: Airline labor pay was still running on a lot of inertia from pre-deregulation. 2001 and 2008 most likely reset that, so now we're expanding the envelope in the 21st century post-deregulation world.
How will it ultimately compare to de-regulation era? I dunno, but that's really not much more than an academic exercise... that was then, this is now.
03-10-2023, 06:32 PM
#35
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I always thought that pay rates prior to deregulation were meaningless. The whole "You could buy a Cadillac a month" was meaningless (especially when you consider the average Cadillac from 1972 has nothing in common with a modern one). But actually looking back at any pilot pay is meaningless. This industry has NEVER been stable. Please point to a 10-year period where it was. Supply and demand rules. Delta had no problem paying 200% for pilots to operate flights for the last 2 years. That's more than we got in the new contract! That tells me we are worth a ton to them. Is any airline really going to turn down the revenue of 180 tickets because the flight crew costs $550/hr instead of $400/hr????
03-10-2023, 06:36 PM
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It’s important to have a bar set at the correct height. And that bar needs to be well stocked with an assortment of higher end liquors, at a price point which keeps the rif-raf and douchebags out. No TV’s. The well bourbon will be Basil Haden.
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