US house panel votes in age [67]
#651
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Or revise FARs. ‘They’ ought not be screwing around with any of it. ‘They’ don’t know, care nor perceive a need to. Hence the reauthorization maneuver. Non autonomous equipment currently operating mainliner service rely on extensive training, vetting, experience for their unmatched record of safe travel. Public outcry for a quick fix won’t change this reality. Better ‘they’ make progress on something more in line with familiar subject matter. Seats for bigger buttholes
#652
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From: guppy CA
Anyone who looks at the resumes of pilots currently being hired at the majors and states that there isn't a pilot shortage is clearly OK with hiring pilots with multiple pink slips, DUIs, and other things that would previously have disqualified them from being hired.
Question: if there's no shortage of pilots, why are regionals having to close up shop in spite of decent pay rates?
Stop trying to gaslight me claiming there's no pilot shortage. It's flat out false.
#653
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Yes I have. Have you bothered to read what is included in the demand for pilots? It's only the 11 largest US airlines. I'm not sure if cargo's included in that data and we know for sure all non-121 operations are not included. And there's likely a whole lot of fibbing when one drills down on the numbers.
Anyone who looks at the resumes of pilots currently being hired at the majors and states that there isn't a pilot shortage is clearly OK with hiring pilots with multiple pink slips, DUIs, and other things that would previously have disqualified them from being hired.
Question: if there's no shortage of pilots, why are regionals having to close up shop in spite of decent pay rates?
Stop trying to gaslight me claiming there's no pilot shortage. It's flat out false.
Anyone who looks at the resumes of pilots currently being hired at the majors and states that there isn't a pilot shortage is clearly OK with hiring pilots with multiple pink slips, DUIs, and other things that would previously have disqualified them from being hired.
Question: if there's no shortage of pilots, why are regionals having to close up shop in spite of decent pay rates?
Stop trying to gaslight me claiming there's no pilot shortage. It's flat out false.
#654
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Great lakes.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. There is a small pilot shortage, but all it’s really doing is putting places out of business that survive on an outdated business model of poverty wages and routes that only exist due to government subsidy.
I think the truth is somewhere in the middle. There is a small pilot shortage, but all it’s really doing is putting places out of business that survive on an outdated business model of poverty wages and routes that only exist due to government subsidy.
#655
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I think at this point the industry is trying, either consciously or by default, to band-aid the regional model for the next few years so there's something left to build on and return to bidness-as-usual after the big retirement wave is over.
If there were going to earth-shattering changes (regionals merged in house, or regional pilots granted mainline numbers) it probably would have happened by now. But they haven't done anything irreversible at this point.
Bonuses can stop on a dime, and the elevated contractual wages can be diluted over time by inflation and eventual competition between regionals as they resume the race to the bottom... they can always standup new startup regionals next decade. Today's "best regional" is next decade's liquidation fire sale.
#656
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Three "conventional" jet regionals went away in 2020. If that hadn't happened something else would have had to give somewhere by now. The large regionals all have parked planes.
I think at this point the industry is trying, either consciously or by default, to band-aid the regional model for the next few years so there's something left to build on and return to bidness-as-usual after the big retirement wave is over.
If there were going to earth-shattering changes (regionals merged in house, or regional pilots granted mainline numbers) it probably would have happened by now. But they haven't done anything irreversible at this point.
Bonuses can stop on a dime, and the elevated contractual wages can be diluted over time by inflation and eventual competition between regionals as they resume the race to the bottom... they can always standup new startup regionals next decade. Today's "best regional" is next decade's liquidation fire sale.
I think at this point the industry is trying, either consciously or by default, to band-aid the regional model for the next few years so there's something left to build on and return to bidness-as-usual after the big retirement wave is over.
If there were going to earth-shattering changes (regionals merged in house, or regional pilots granted mainline numbers) it probably would have happened by now. But they haven't done anything irreversible at this point.
Bonuses can stop on a dime, and the elevated contractual wages can be diluted over time by inflation and eventual competition between regionals as they resume the race to the bottom... they can always standup new startup regionals next decade. Today's "best regional" is next decade's liquidation fire sale.
#657
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
My point was that if they hadn't folded the limited pool of regional pilots (committed lifers and time-building noobs) would be spread even thinner today. So there probably would have been regional liquidations in 2023 if it hadn't already happened in 2020.
#658
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They refused to pay market wages. If I opened an accounting firm tomorrow and only paid fully licensed accountants $14,000/year, no one would say I couldn’t recruit because there is an accountant shortage.
#659
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Yes I have. Have you bothered to read what is included in the demand for pilots? It's only the 11 largest US airlines. I'm not sure if cargo's included in that data and we know for sure all non-121 operations are not included. And there's likely a whole lot of fibbing when one drills down on the numbers.
Anyone who looks at the resumes of pilots currently being hired at the majors and states that there isn't a pilot shortage is clearly OK with hiring pilots with multiple pink slips, DUIs, and other things that would previously have disqualified them from being hired.
Question: if there's no shortage of pilots, why are regionals having to close up shop in spite of decent pay rates?
Stop trying to gaslight me claiming there's no pilot shortage. It's flat out false.
Anyone who looks at the resumes of pilots currently being hired at the majors and states that there isn't a pilot shortage is clearly OK with hiring pilots with multiple pink slips, DUIs, and other things that would previously have disqualified them from being hired.
Question: if there's no shortage of pilots, why are regionals having to close up shop in spite of decent pay rates?
Stop trying to gaslight me claiming there's no pilot shortage. It's flat out false.
2023 will have just as many enplanements as 2019 or 2018 if there is demand for for it. Enplanements are not limited by supply unlike OSB plywood or vehicles were.
How can you say there is a shortage when FedEx is downgrading CAs and the majors will fly just as many people as they ever have.
#660
What is happening is called up gauging. 50 seaters now being more 76 seaters. Fewer frequency on the small end. Routes now service, but less frequently, by larger aircraft. That is a result of real pilot shortage.
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