US house panel votes in age [67]
#551
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I think we here at APC can just chalk the above statement to youth or willful ignorance. Some education on Labor Law and Contract Law will do wonders for you Noise. To think that inserting that type of language in any contract would persevere thru judicial scrutiny is absurd and without precedent. JetBlue and Spirit both would be buried in litigation.
The only subject that matters in the retirement age argument is the Physical Fitness and Standards testing set forth by the FAA. Not contracts, not opinion, not the juniors vs seniors, not the entitled vs the seasoned and not the recommendations of the screen named APC members.
The only subject that matters in the retirement age argument is the Physical Fitness and Standards testing set forth by the FAA. Not contracts, not opinion, not the juniors vs seniors, not the entitled vs the seasoned and not the recommendations of the screen named APC members.
#552
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Look at this gem
-Not later than 180 days after the 2 date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on further increasing the age limitation described in subsection (a).".
-Not later than 180 days after the 2 date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on further increasing the age limitation described in subsection (a).".
#553
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Look at this gem
-Not later than 180 days after the 2 date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on further increasing the age limitation described in subsection (a).".
-Not later than 180 days after the 2 date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on further increasing the age limitation described in subsection (a).".
#554
#555
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Look at this gem
-Not later than 180 days after the 2 date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on further increasing the age limitation described in subsection (a).".
-Not later than 180 days after the 2 date of enactment of this Act, the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration shall submit to the appropriate congressional committees a report on further increasing the age limitation described in subsection (a).".
#556
Just throwing this out there:
What are the exact ages of the pilots for major commercial airline accidents worldwide for the past few decades?
Air France 447 comes to mind. (CA: 58 FO #1: 37 FO #2: 32). Probably the best test case to look at via the lenses of age. Experienced, not "too old", good training experiences, etc.
KLM 4805/Pan Am 1736. (CA: 50, FO: 42 FE: 48) Pre-CRM, ego issues with the KLM CA, etc.
Malaysia Air 370: (CA: 53. FO: 27) Lord only knows, he ain't talking.
Korean Air 801: (CA: 42. FO: 40 FE: 57)
Go down this rabbit hole and I defy anyone to correlate pilot age to actual major accidents.
(It makes intuitive sense, I agree, but where's the actual data?)
#557
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I don't know that there's any data available that suggests age really has much to do with commercial aviation crashes for large airlines. Applies to both young and old.
Just throwing this out there:
What are the exact ages of the pilots for major commercial airline accidents worldwide for the past few decades?
Air France 447 comes to mind. (CA: 58 FO #1: 37 FO #2: 32). Probably the best test case to look at via the lenses of age. Experienced, not "too old", good training experiences, etc.
KLM 4805/Pan Am 1736. (CA: 50, FO: 42 FE: 48) Pre-CRM, ego issues with the KLM CA, etc.
Malaysia Air 370: (CA: 53. FO: 27) Lord only knows, he ain't talking.
Korean Air 801: (CA: 42. FO: 40 FE: 57)
Go down this rabbit hole and I defy anyone to correlate pilot age to actual major accidents.
(It makes intuitive sense, I agree, but where's the actual data?)
Just throwing this out there:
What are the exact ages of the pilots for major commercial airline accidents worldwide for the past few decades?
Air France 447 comes to mind. (CA: 58 FO #1: 37 FO #2: 32). Probably the best test case to look at via the lenses of age. Experienced, not "too old", good training experiences, etc.
KLM 4805/Pan Am 1736. (CA: 50, FO: 42 FE: 48) Pre-CRM, ego issues with the KLM CA, etc.
Malaysia Air 370: (CA: 53. FO: 27) Lord only knows, he ain't talking.
Korean Air 801: (CA: 42. FO: 40 FE: 57)
Go down this rabbit hole and I defy anyone to correlate pilot age to actual major accidents.
(It makes intuitive sense, I agree, but where's the actual data?)
Congress will most likely pass this because it shows they’re working to solve a problem.
#558
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From: Engines Turn or People Swim
I don't know that there's any data available that suggests age really has much to do with commercial aviation crashes for large airlines. Applies to both young and old.
Just throwing this out there:
What are the exact ages of the pilots for major commercial airline accidents worldwide for the past few decades?
Air France 447 comes to mind. (CA: 58 FO #1: 37 FO #2: 32). Probably the best test case to look at via the lenses of age. Experienced, not "too old", good training experiences, etc.
Just throwing this out there:
What are the exact ages of the pilots for major commercial airline accidents worldwide for the past few decades?
Air France 447 comes to mind. (CA: 58 FO #1: 37 FO #2: 32). Probably the best test case to look at via the lenses of age. Experienced, not "too old", good training experiences, etc.
Root cause cultural issues.
Exclude everything prior to year 2000 (many industry changes).
Exclude foriegn ops, too many other variables.
What you're left with is several fatal regional crashes. That might correlate to low age and lack of experience. It might also correlate to inherently riskier conditions at the commuters... small airports, worse work rules, smaller, more challenging destinations, etc. FDX and UPS don't look so hot either, but I'd correlate that to working conditions.
#560
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The difference between 91 and 121 is the training among other things.
F/o"s are typed and expected to have the same skill set as the captain.
CRM is also heavily emphasized in the fact that F/O's are expected to call for or execute a go around if the aircraft does not meet stable approach criteria at the appropriate altitudes.
F/o"s are typed and expected to have the same skill set as the captain.
CRM is also heavily emphasized in the fact that F/O's are expected to call for or execute a go around if the aircraft does not meet stable approach criteria at the appropriate altitudes.
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