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US house panel votes in age [67]
07-23-2023 | 09:02 AM
#541
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Sure. That's federal law based on safety and science, or at least that's the basis which allows them to do it.
If they say "you are safe to fly 121" they cannot then then turn around and say "but only where we need you to fly, and not if it interferes with the career progression of 28 year old legacy CA's". There is existing federal age discrimination law which would prevent any discrimination except in a few very specific cases having to do with safety and job prformance.
I think they can (and should) put limits on the return of pilots who already aged out, to prevent them from trying to reclaim their previous seniority.
If they say "you are safe to fly 121" they cannot then then turn around and say "but only where we need you to fly, and not if it interferes with the career progression of 28 year old legacy CA's". There is existing federal age discrimination law which would prevent any discrimination except in a few very specific cases having to do with safety and job prformance.
I think they can (and should) put limits on the return of pilots who already aged out, to prevent them from trying to reclaim their previous seniority.
07-23-2023 | 12:44 PM
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Sure. That's federal law based on safety and science, or at least that's the basis which allows them to do it.
If they say "you are safe to fly 121" they cannot then then turn around and say "but only where we need you to fly, and not if it interferes with the career progression of 28 year old legacy CA's". There is existing federal age discrimination law which would prevent any discrimination except in a few very specific cases having to do with safety and job prformance.
I think they can (and should) put limits on the return of pilots who already aged out, to prevent them from trying to reclaim their previous seniority.
If they say "you are safe to fly 121" they cannot then then turn around and say "but only where we need you to fly, and not if it interferes with the career progression of 28 year old legacy CA's". There is existing federal age discrimination law which would prevent any discrimination except in a few very specific cases having to do with safety and job prformance.
I think they can (and should) put limits on the return of pilots who already aged out, to prevent them from trying to reclaim their previous seniority.
07-23-2023 | 01:00 PM
#543
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But nobody in their right mind is pushing for that because everybody knows that it probably wouldn't stop at age 65. They'd have to do some science and statistics stuff... some 60+ would pass with flying colors and some 30-somethings would flunk. Can O' Worms.
07-23-2023 | 01:03 PM
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Needs to be in the new JetBlue JCBA. You may fly to whatever the legal retirement age is but at age 65 you go back to the bottom of the list.
07-23-2023 | 01:26 PM
#545
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When a pilot retires due to age 65, they go through their company’s separation process. They don’t have anything to go back to.
07-23-2023 | 01:35 PM
#546
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recommend what exactly? How about anyone over the age of 65 resets their seniority from zero but can keep their longevity. That way we don’t have grandpa flying with a new hire where both aren’t at the top of their game.
Needs to be in the new JetBlue JCBA. You may fly to whatever the legal retirement age is but at age 65 you go back to the bottom of the list.
Needs to be in the new JetBlue JCBA. You may fly to whatever the legal retirement age is but at age 65 you go back to the bottom of the list.
07-23-2023 | 02:07 PM
#547
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But in the real world anybody can and will sue everybody in sight if they don't get exactly what they want.
07-23-2023 | 02:57 PM
#548
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07-23-2023 | 03:06 PM
#549
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They're retired. They have nothing to lose, and nothing better to do. It's not like it would get resolved in time for them to actually *gasp* go back to work prior to age 67.
07-23-2023 | 03:56 PM
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recommend what exactly? How about anyone over the age of 65 resets their seniority from zero but can keep their longevity. That way we don’t have grandpa flying with a new hire where both aren’t at the top of their game.
Needs to be in the new JetBlue JCBA. You may fly to whatever the legal retirement age is but at age 65 you go back to the bottom of the list.
Needs to be in the new JetBlue JCBA. You may fly to whatever the legal retirement age is but at age 65 you go back to the bottom of the list.
I think we here at APC can just chalk the above statement to youth or willful ignorance. Some education on Labor Law and Contract Law will do wonders for you Noise. To think that inserting that type of language in any contract would persevere thru judicial scrutiny is absurd and without precedent. JetBlue and Spirit both would be buried in litigation.
The only subject that matters in the retirement age argument is the Physical Fitness and Standards testing set forth by the FAA. Not contracts, not opinion, not the juniors vs seniors, not the entitled vs the seasoned and not the recommendations of the screen named APC members.
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