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US house panel votes in age [67]
07-27-2023 | 11:24 AM
#582
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From: Whale FO
A vast majority of airline pilots never make it to 65 nonetheless 67. They medical out, die, on LTD or retire early. What makes you think the 20% that decide to work until 67 are going to affect your seniority much? With the mass retirements coming up, it won't affect you as much as you think it will (like age 65 did as it was a different pilot market then with furloughs, hard to make it to a major airline, etc).
Have you seen the latest stats for the amount of pilots needed for the future? It's staggering. Not enough pilots for the increased demand worldwide. As one who hopes to retire at 65, it would be helpful to at least have a choice for another 2 years, depending on the stock market. I never made it to the $300,000 year pilot job throughout my career.
Every pilot ages differently. Some have cognitive issues, some do not. That's what the simulator evaluation is for. Geez. You all will be older someday. And you might change your mind. 65 is the new 45.
We take better care of ourselves (especially pilots with a medical every 6 months when you get older). We are living longer. Don't be so quick to only think of your younger self. It's about thinking of what's best for everyone. Being unionized, it's thinking of everyone to at least have a choice, not just a segment of the pilot ranks. Social security full retirement age isn't even until 67 now. Best to at least have the option. You can fly corporate after 65. So I don't see much of a difference as I've done both.
Have you seen the latest stats for the amount of pilots needed for the future? It's staggering. Not enough pilots for the increased demand worldwide. As one who hopes to retire at 65, it would be helpful to at least have a choice for another 2 years, depending on the stock market. I never made it to the $300,000 year pilot job throughout my career.
Every pilot ages differently. Some have cognitive issues, some do not. That's what the simulator evaluation is for. Geez. You all will be older someday. And you might change your mind. 65 is the new 45.
We take better care of ourselves (especially pilots with a medical every 6 months when you get older). We are living longer. Don't be so quick to only think of your younger self. It's about thinking of what's best for everyone. Being unionized, it's thinking of everyone to at least have a choice, not just a segment of the pilot ranks. Social security full retirement age isn't even until 67 now. Best to at least have the option. You can fly corporate after 65. So I don't see much of a difference as I've done both.
A vast, vast majority are just fine. To the tune of 99%.
Are you seriously claiming 80% of pilots medical out before 65?
07-27-2023 | 11:26 AM
#583
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From: guppy CA
07-27-2023 | 01:30 PM
#584
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From: Upside Down
We’ve been to the moon and to the bottom of the ocean. Figured out how to fly at hypersonic speeds and thermodynamic flow theory… I’m pretty sure we can figure out how to come up with a study and a data set to make an informed decision on a Pilot’s retirement age. Certainly more informed than the completely uninformed and arbitrary method many of you are currently advocating for.
The “study” that everyone seems to be seeking is in the form of an FAA flight physical every 6 months and an FAA approved check ride every 9 months.
The data set that you all are seeking is right in front of you.
07-27-2023 | 01:58 PM
#585
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I don't know about your legacy airline, but mine has A LOT of pilots, senior, out on medical leave. It certainly isn't 99% as you claim, still flying as they get above 50 years old.
07-27-2023 | 02:31 PM
#586
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From: guppy CA
He also used to say that AA was on the verge of bankruptcy.
07-27-2023 | 05:03 PM
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07-27-2023 | 05:26 PM
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07-27-2023 | 06:10 PM
#589
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A vast majority of airline pilots never make it to 65 nonetheless 67. They medical out, die, on LTD or retire early. What makes you think the 20% that decide to work until 67 are going to affect your seniority much? With the mass retirements coming up, it won't affect you as much as you think it will (like age 65 did as it was a different pilot market then with furloughs, hard to make it to a major airline, etc).
Have you seen the latest stats for the amount of pilots needed for the future? It's staggering. Not enough pilots for the increased demand worldwide. As one who hopes to retire at 65, it would be helpful to at least have a choice for another 2 years, depending on the stock market. I never made it to the $300,000 year pilot job throughout my career.
Every pilot ages differently. Some have cognitive issues, some do not. That's what the simulator evaluation is for. Geez. You all will be older someday. And you might change your mind. 65 is the new 45.
We take better care of ourselves (especially pilots with a medical every 6 months when you get older). We are living longer. Don't be so quick to only think of your younger self. It's about thinking of what's best for everyone. Being unionized, it's thinking of everyone to at least have a choice, not just a segment of the pilot ranks. Social security full retirement age isn't even until 67 now. Best to at least have the option. You can fly corporate after 65. So I don't see much of a difference as I've done both.
Have you seen the latest stats for the amount of pilots needed for the future? It's staggering. Not enough pilots for the increased demand worldwide. As one who hopes to retire at 65, it would be helpful to at least have a choice for another 2 years, depending on the stock market. I never made it to the $300,000 year pilot job throughout my career.
Every pilot ages differently. Some have cognitive issues, some do not. That's what the simulator evaluation is for. Geez. You all will be older someday. And you might change your mind. 65 is the new 45.
We take better care of ourselves (especially pilots with a medical every 6 months when you get older). We are living longer. Don't be so quick to only think of your younger self. It's about thinking of what's best for everyone. Being unionized, it's thinking of everyone to at least have a choice, not just a segment of the pilot ranks. Social security full retirement age isn't even until 67 now. Best to at least have the option. You can fly corporate after 65. So I don't see much of a difference as I've done both.
67/68 is going to happen.
07-27-2023 | 09:27 PM
#590
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That said, the incentive to work to 65 to get medicare and then stop might be the difference where ‘the vast majority’ just don’t work past 65. Won’t know until it happens though. Personally, I think if you’re healthy enough to keep working, and senior enough to make $400,000k per year only doing one 3 day trip a month… you keep working.
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