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US house panel votes in age [67]
08-13-2023 | 11:42 AM
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Likely still going to change to 67.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
08-13-2023 | 02:38 PM
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Likely still going to change to 67.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
08-13-2023 | 03:33 PM
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Likely still going to change to 67.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
08-13-2023 | 06:28 PM
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it’s not even being considered and the language covering how to deal with the newly employable elderly pilots is sufficiently sloppy that it may give companies a good deal of grief. I’m not going to waste time screaming at the moon about the “unfairness” of it all, but it looks like this new bill will be a bit of a cluster**** in execution.
08-13-2023 | 09:13 PM
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08-14-2023 | 12:09 AM
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Sound “cluster inducing” arguments can be used to nix it. They are there, getting louder, and getting lobbied. The evidence regionals won’t reestablish anemic podunk routes is also getting notice. It’s becoming evident this bandaid is actually salt.
08-14-2023 | 03:37 AM
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Likely still going to change to 67.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
Congress is in recess for August so don't expect any new information until September.
The Senate version of the FAA Reauthorization Bill is stuck in subcommittee, and looks unlikely to move out of subcommittee very quickly.
There are two issues in the Reauthorization Bill that are more important to Congress than an age change - those are ATP minimums and expansion of long distance flights out of DCA.
Sen Duckworth is the Chair of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation. She has essentially lost control of the subcommittee since Sen Sinema (I-AZ, caucusing with Ds) introduced legislation in the subcommittee to lower ATP minimums. To put it kindly, Duckworth lost her mind and made what I would consider a childish speech in the Senate about 'blood on your hands' if the ATP minimums are lowered. In addition, Duckworth suspended all Subcommittee meetings so there's no markup on the bill any time in the near future.
While the Ds control the Senate, the composition of the Subcommittee on Aviation Safety, Operations and Innovation is 5D, 5R, 1I. Sinema is the 'swing' vote in the subcommittee and this effects any markup sessions.
The rumor had been that Duckworth was going to allow 67 added to the Reauthorization Act in exchange for tighter ATP minimums (in order to get at least one R vote), but her bill to change ATP minimums did not include age 67 language. Her bill, Experienced Pilots Save Lives Act, is pretty much dead in the water because there's nothing additional in it for R subcommittee members.
The Senate returns from recess on Sep 6. I don't expect to see any/much news before then.
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08-14-2023 | 12:49 PM
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one in a million
it’s not even being considered and the language covering how to deal with the newly employable elderly pilots is sufficiently sloppy that it may give companies a good deal of grief. I’m not going to waste time screaming at the moon about the “unfairness” of it all, but it looks like this new bill will be a bit of a cluster**** in execution.
it’s not even being considered and the language covering how to deal with the newly employable elderly pilots is sufficiently sloppy that it may give companies a good deal of grief. I’m not going to waste time screaming at the moon about the “unfairness” of it all, but it looks like this new bill will be a bit of a cluster**** in execution.
08-14-2023 | 12:51 PM
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Why is it likely?
It’s hasn’t been popular enough to pass as a stand alone bill.
It hasn’t been placed into the senate version of the FAA reauthorization act.
The secretary of the DOT is publicly against it.
The CEO of United airlines is publicly unenthusiastic about it being any benefit to the public.
The President is claiming to be the most pro labor union President of all time and the labor unions are against it.
It can’t be added as an amendment without 60 votes.
You said yourself the committee responsible for adding into final language is facing a mutiny and has chosen to just close shop instead of loose control. It would seem the ATP issue closing the committee down would defacto prevent age 67 from being added.
It seems the most likely trajectory is Senate passes FAA reauthorization without it being included.
It would seem the bills go to conference committee with the WH and Senate withholding support of age 67.
So question is, how committed is the House?
Its possible it didn’t sway the house vote at all and just reflects good lobbying to a committee that placed the language in the House bill.
It’s hasn’t been popular enough to pass as a stand alone bill.
It hasn’t been placed into the senate version of the FAA reauthorization act.
The secretary of the DOT is publicly against it.
The CEO of United airlines is publicly unenthusiastic about it being any benefit to the public.
The President is claiming to be the most pro labor union President of all time and the labor unions are against it.
It can’t be added as an amendment without 60 votes.
You said yourself the committee responsible for adding into final language is facing a mutiny and has chosen to just close shop instead of loose control. It would seem the ATP issue closing the committee down would defacto prevent age 67 from being added.
It seems the most likely trajectory is Senate passes FAA reauthorization without it being included.
It would seem the bills go to conference committee with the WH and Senate withholding support of age 67.
So question is, how committed is the House?
Its possible it didn’t sway the house vote at all and just reflects good lobbying to a committee that placed the language in the House bill.
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