Please adhere to jumpseat etiquette
03-29-2024, 02:27 PM
#261
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
Are you new to the industry or something? Before 9/11 we were trained to cooperate with hijackers so nobody would get hurt. They invited the hijackers in.
Of course, all of that has changed.
Your question is asinine. FFDOs are the only group that have caught fewer terrorists than the TSA.
Of course, all of that has changed.
Your question is asinine. FFDOs are the only group that have caught fewer terrorists than the TSA.
03-29-2024, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tm602
I'll just ask this and let it be. How many planes would have been successfully hijacked on 9/11 had there been armed pilots? Don't dodge the question with Sky Marshalls, as the expense outweighs the possibility to have them on every plane (FFDOs are no-cost to the airline or the gov't except for the training)....answer the question as asked. How many hijackers would have been able to enter the cockpit, kill both pilots, and then crash the planes into their targets if they were met at the door with a gun?
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
03-29-2024, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
I'm not getting into details but there are flights that won't have any FFDOs and, while YOUR flights might have 100% FFDOs, I can tell you from personal experience, it is rare for me to fly with one.
I'm not getting into details but there are flights that won't have any FFDOs and, while YOUR flights might have 100% FFDOs, I can tell you from personal experience, it is rare for me to fly with one.
Of course you have a data set that validates it, considering all your "persosonal experience".
03-29-2024, 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by John Carr
Wow, so my much authoratative legitimate credibility here.
Of course you have a data set that validates it, considering all your "persosonal experience".
Of course you have a data set that validates it, considering all your "persosonal experience".
03-29-2024, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by CBreezy
Hey, we agree again! The hypothetical is absurd. It's like asking the founding had considered the implications of the Internet when they wrote the Constitution.
03-29-2024, 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
damn lol, comment section did quite go as planned huh?
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
03-29-2024, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
damn lol, comment section did quite go as planned huh?
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
03-29-2024, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by WiFly
Buddy you have some serious issues if having a jumpseater consitutes "distractions and discomfort". Line checks must be awful. God forbid the FAA ever observes. The discomfort and distraction must be crippling.
If you're the kind of pilot who would voluntarily deny a jumpseater the flight deck jump because seat 33B is available, you are the definition of a d1ck.
If you're the kind of pilot who would voluntarily deny a jumpseater the flight deck jump because seat 33B is available, you are the definition of a d1ck.
I'm just glad I go to work on a paid ticket now (when I get called out to fly) and don't have to deal with a-holes like that. If that is the example of what we are seeing in the left seat then it's just a shame. I always let people ride up front, especially if I knew we were really full.
03-30-2024, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Hubcapped
damn lol, comment section did quite go as planned huh?
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
answer is all of them if they adhered to policy, or none if they didn’t open the door.
there is no reason for a firearm on the flight deck, and if you show up with one, know my inside voice is saying that you’re a scared little kid who isn’t quite secure enough in who they are, and need a weapon to compensate
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