The pilot shortage is over:
03-04-2024, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Forman
In his defense he is always wrong about everything and never makes any sense.
03-04-2024, 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
idk how retirements look at other airlines, but DL’s are not spectacular. We have roughly 17,000 pilots on the list now, if you figure an average hire age of 35* that should yield about 570 retirements per year. Not counting 2024, we only have 4 years between now and 2040 where we have over 500 scheduled retirements. With the biggest year being 556 in 2030.
*2023 average new hire age was 35.6.
*2023 average new hire age was 35.6.
03-04-2024, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
AA and UA have the most, then DL. The other majors don't have much more than normal-ish retirements as far as I know.
03-04-2024, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by PossibleDeviation
Southwest is only stopping hiring due to the Boeing issues and JetBlue/Spirit each have a myriad of different issues after the merger being blocked. If P/W and Boeing weren't having issues getting planes safely to these airlines no one would be slowing hiring.
03-05-2024, 01:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Agreed. And the 3 majors have the freight train of retirements. Nothing is going to stop a train, to quote an old commercial.
03-05-2024, 01:59 AM
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Originally Posted by PipeMan
Retirements help of course. But are there enough retirements to offset potential furloughs coming?
I don't know the numbers or how it affected the airline's bottom line but I'd be inclined to think they'd consider offering another chance for early retirements and bids for zero credit lines.
03-05-2024, 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by SonicFlyer
That said, I was clear that I think pilots overplayed their hand about a year ago and their contracts at all of the airlines were too rich to be sustainable.
At one point, despite American Airlines pilots already securing the best deal in the aviation industry, United offered yet a better contract and on cue, American Airlines deal was instantly inferior and upped to a $10 bn package for the labor block a month after the prior landmark deal.
And when all the CBAs have been amendable for years with no gains it's not that hard to have 'the best deal in the industry'.
Are these issues a sign that the travel market is softening or that pilots may have contracts to [sic] lucrative to maintain? I’d argue that one leads to the next.
03-05-2024, 04:51 AM
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Originally Posted by BlueSkies
As usual, posting trash. Here are some gems from this piece:
So a predictable slow in hiring that everyone knew was coming sooner or later is evidence that the new CBAs are too rich? Is this guy serious?!
This reads like someone that thinks they know what they're talking about but instead is completely ignorant, or worse, trying to misrepresent the situation.
And when all the CBAs have been amendable for years with no gains it's not that hard to have 'the best deal in the industry'.
The writer claims to 'support' labor yet says this and also forgot the difference between too and to. I'm not saying I'm any paragon of grammatical excellence but I'm also not writing "articles".
So a predictable slow in hiring that everyone knew was coming sooner or later is evidence that the new CBAs are too rich? Is this guy serious?!
This reads like someone that thinks they know what they're talking about but instead is completely ignorant, or worse, trying to misrepresent the situation.
And when all the CBAs have been amendable for years with no gains it's not that hard to have 'the best deal in the industry'.
The writer claims to 'support' labor yet says this and also forgot the difference between too and to. I'm not saying I'm any paragon of grammatical excellence but I'm also not writing "articles".
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