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Andy 03-22-2024 12:20 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3784364)
you cannot live indefinitely in international waters in a self sustaining manner. Due to international treaty, you cannot live in Antarctica.


You’re still subject to governance by those authorities, even if you don’t get caught.

You never fail to live down to your reputation.

OOfff 03-22-2024 12:25 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3784371)
You never fail to live down to your reputation.

excellent ad hominem rebuttal. Well argued.

Verdell 03-22-2024 02:19 PM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 3784360)

But bigger picture ... if you think that living in the Alaska or northern Canada wilderness is going to come with governance, you're just being obstinate. And there are plenty of other places on this globe where one need not be concerned about government.

Alaska Department of Fish and Game might have something to say about this.

rickair7777 03-22-2024 02:31 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3784364)
you cannot live indefinitely in international waters in a self sustaining manner. Due to international treaty, you cannot live in Antarctica.

Even if you do, many states do not allow you to renounce your citizenship unless adopting citizenship in another recognized state, they know it's a tax dodge.

Some states will never allow you to renounce, and if you're not under the tax jurisdiction of another recognized state (ie work permit) you'll still owe them.

rickair7777 03-22-2024 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3784269)
Everyone thinks that their particular proclivities are the necessary. It’s a meaningless platitude

The fewer the better, across the board.

Excargodog 03-22-2024 02:33 PM


Originally Posted by Verdell (Post 3784419)
Alaska Department of Fish and Game might have something to say about this.

They gotta find you first.


1.3 persons per square mile
Alaska is a large, sparsely populated state. The land mass of the state encompasses 570,641 square miles, averaging a population density of just 1.3 persons per square mile. This is the lowest population density of any state.
And the Dept of fish and game has a total of 1700 employees.

SonicFlyer 03-22-2024 03:00 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 3784266)
Government, by nature of it's inherent power, is inherently evil (it can't help itself). It is of course a necessary evil, but needs to minimized to the greatest practical extent, and carefully monitored.

Exactly. That's why I consider myself a minarchist and not an actual anarchist. We need some government, but it must be absolutely minimal and retstrained... essentially only to protect individual rights and provide justice, nothing more. And it doesn't even do those things very well. But anarchy = democracy = mob rule.

SonicFlyer 03-22-2024 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3784247)
If you know of a more successful one please share it with us.

While it is likely the best currently or the best in history, that still doesn't excuse it's shortcomings, many of which have gotten worse since its inception. Granted there is no perfect system of course, but we can do a lot better.


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 3784256)
now, sonic is completely ignoring that he doesn’t actually want to give up the benefits of society, only his obligation to it. The point remains, however, that there is nowhere on earth you can go to opt out.

Don't confuse "society" with "government"



Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3784334)
I am still waiting for an example of a robust economy without either.

The US economy isn't doing great, and really hasn't been since at least the 50's, and really since the 3rd central bank was formed.


Originally Posted by jerryleber (Post 3784340)
Good luck finding a better system than the US or some of the better western democratic countries and I am still waiting on that example of libertarian nirvana that so many seem to love using as their imaginary standard.

Why settle for a bad system that doesn't work very well when we could have a better system? I'm not complacent.

OOfff 03-22-2024 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Excargodog (Post 3784433)
They gotta find you first.



And the Dept of fish and game has a total of 1700 employees.

You’re still under the jurisdiction and obligations of the state even if you aren’t caught. Lots of people evade taxes but they’re still subject to them.

SonicFlyer 03-22-2024 03:03 PM


Originally Posted by Extenda (Post 3784351)
Whatever entirely flawed and broken system we have now has me, as an upper middle class delta captain, pretty much at the pinnacle of the human race as far as healthcare, safety, leisure activities, and overall general stability.

It’s wild that most of us don’t realize this. Yeah, the system could be better, but good lord look at your life now vs. what life was like for people 1000 years ago and what it is even now for 90% of people around the world.

you should all be kissing your lucky stars the random lottery of birth has you where you are instead of dreaming about some utopia. History has also shaken out in your favor pretty well. I’d be cautious about wanting big change to whatever system we have now.

Yes, I'm glad that we are only taxed at 40% instead of 60% or 90%.... /sarcasm

'At least they only beat me a couple of days of the week.'

'when they loaded me on the trains they were at least friendly about it'


Stockholm syndrome much?


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