Delta thinks 737 MAX 10 delayed until 2027
03-13-2024, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Bradshaw
You work at allegiant, right? Don't you guys have a ton of MAXs on order? What's their plan?
We were supposed to take 10 last year but took 0. We were supposed to take 24 this year but that number has been revised to 10 I think with our first, which was painted 2 months ago, expected end of March or beginning of April unless there is another delay. My larger point is that Congress has mandated all newly certified aircraft have EICAS and that requirement has been pushed once already. With all of Boeing’s problems I don’t think they would be willing to push it again so Boeing could get the 7 and/or 10 squeezed in. But the public has a short memory span.
03-13-2024, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
We only have the 7 and 8-200 on order.
We were supposed to take 10 last year but took 0. We were supposed to take 24 this year but that number has been revised to 10 I think with our first, which was painted 2 months ago, expected end of March or beginning of April unless there is another delay. My larger point is that Congress has mandated all newly certified aircraft have EICAS and that requirement has been pushed once already. With all of Boeing’s problems I don’t think they would be willing to push it again so Boeing could get the 7 and/or 10 squeezed in. But the public has a short memory span.
We were supposed to take 10 last year but took 0. We were supposed to take 24 this year but that number has been revised to 10 I think with our first, which was painted 2 months ago, expected end of March or beginning of April unless there is another delay. My larger point is that Congress has mandated all newly certified aircraft have EICAS and that requirement has been pushed once already. With all of Boeing’s problems I don’t think they would be willing to push it again so Boeing could get the 7 and/or 10 squeezed in. But the public has a short memory span.
Just bilk the American taxpayer for a 1984 Ford Granada tanker and stock buy backs.
Maybe Elon and Jeff could come up with something in a few years? No one will get on a Chinese or Russian airliner anytime soon. Unless you’re Chinese or Russian.
Nautilus will be flying large pilotless cargo
planes all over Africa as a test bed . Not one thread on that. And they are American made.
03-14-2024, 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by tom11011
My larger point is that Congress has mandated all newly certified aircraft have EICAS and that requirement has been pushed once already. With all of Boeing’s problems I don’t think they would be willing to push it again so Boeing could get the 7 and/or 10 squeezed in. But the public has a short memory span.
03-14-2024, 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Congress has a short attention span too since they really only focus on the current or next election cycle. There is simply too much money on the table for them to stop the Max 7/10 certification over EICAS. They'll get their 30 second campaign sound bites on the news, but they're not going to shut down a program that will cost Boeing and their customers billions of dollars. They'll like the positive press for making Boeing get their act together, but they'll avoid all of the bad press from shutting down the program. That would cost Boeing and the airlines with orders billions of dollars, jobs would be cut, and airfares would rise due to increasing demand and reduced capacity. The last two versions of the max will eventually get certified, and airlines with firm orders will end up flying them.
BCA might simply drop the 10 as too risky an investment... if they keep dumping money in development, it drags out, and then they DON'T get the EICAS exemption that would be good money after bad. They can't know today if the political landscape will support an exemption extension at the exact moment they need it. It's clear that they will no way in h3ll add an EICAS to the 10 or any other 73, so no exemption is a show stopper.
Although both sides of the political aisle have motives to keep production lines moving, since it impacts both business and labor.
03-14-2024, 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
Congress has a short attention span too since they really only focus on the current or next election cycle. There is simply too much money on the table for them to stop the Max 7/10 certification over EICAS. They'll get their 30 second campaign sound bites on the news, but they're not going to shut down a program that will cost Boeing and their customers billions of dollars. They'll like the positive press for making Boeing get their act together, but they'll avoid all of the bad press from shutting down the program. That would cost Boeing and the airlines with orders billions of dollars, jobs would be cut, and airfares would rise due to increasing demand and reduced capacity. The last two versions of the max will eventually get certified, and airlines with firm orders will end up flying them.
03-14-2024, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
They might compromise and let the 7 slide. I think the only big hold-up there is the nacelles?
BCA might simply drop the 10 as too risky an investment... if they keep dumping money in development, it drags out, and then they DON'T get the EICAS exemption that would be good money after bad. They can't know today if the political landscape will support an exemption extension at the exact moment they need it. It's clear that they will no way in h3ll add an EICAS to the 10 or any other 73, so no exemption is a show stopper.
Although both sides of the political aisle have motives to keep production lines moving, since it impacts both business and labor.
BCA might simply drop the 10 as too risky an investment... if they keep dumping money in development, it drags out, and then they DON'T get the EICAS exemption that would be good money after bad. They can't know today if the political landscape will support an exemption extension at the exact moment they need it. It's clear that they will no way in h3ll add an EICAS to the 10 or any other 73, so no exemption is a show stopper.
Although both sides of the political aisle have motives to keep production lines moving, since it impacts both business and labor.
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