Delta thinks 737 MAX 10 delayed until 2027
03-21-2024, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Extenda
wow. That video. Like, dude, why don’t your engineers build an actual new real airplane?
IMHO Boeing should have finished the 737 with the 800. It is a super reliable and very capable aircraft. The 900 was OK but high altitude/heavy weight performance was pitiful with heavy aircraft topping out in the low 30's. I still remember when we first started flyin it out to HNL and KOA - it was often limited and we would leave many seats empty. Supposedly the winglets were going to solve that - negative.
The 900 is probably a pretty good fit for the northeast to Florida or ATL to the west coast but it definitely has its limits. West coast to the Islands - nope.
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03-21-2024, 09:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TransWorld
Regardless of all the revisions needed, the 757 is my favorite plane. It would have been easier to modify it than anything else.
03-21-2024, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Boeing made a huge mistake in destroying the 757 Tooling. This NB conundrum would thus been easily solved. Add some composties to the 757 airframe. New more efficient engines and update the flight deck instruments (modern PFD/ND etc). It wouldn't have been hard. The old engineers that ran the place before would have had a solution ready, but they were all tossed for the bean counters. Which then leads to the MAX debacle. Boeing did this to themselves really.
No. please no. Look at the disaster the MAX is. While I agree the 757 was great, it needs to be more than adding composites and new avionics. It needs to be a clean sheet design. It’s time to move away from the 1960-1980s engineering and produce a 2024-2030 engineered plane.
03-22-2024, 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage
No. please no. Look at the disaster the MAX is. While I agree the 757 was great, it needs to be more than adding composites and new avionics. It needs to be a clean sheet design. It’s time to move away from the 1960-1980s engineering and produce a 2024-2030 engineered plane.
03-22-2024, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotJ3
Yes, and delta has a ton of Abus 321, 220, 330 and 350 deliveries. There’s no rush, only UAL is in a hurry.
2027 is being polite. Going to be longer than that.
03-22-2024, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by CA1900
The 10 will have this goofy telescoping main landing gear that will let the plane sit higher up at rotation, but still fit in the same wheel well. I can only imagine what an engineering and maintenance nightmare it's going to be.
03-25-2024, 03:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bonvoyage
No. please no. Look at the disaster the MAX is. While I agree the 757 was great, it needs to be more than adding composites and new avionics. It needs to be a clean sheet design. It’s time to move away from the 1960-1980s engineering and produce a 2024-2030 engineered plane.
And yes, I was being parochial to Delta. We're still flying ours and don't plan on retiring any of them soon.
03-25-2024, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BlueScholar
True, but I have to imagine landing gear is among the cheapeat and easiest components to certify. Test flights leave the gear down for the first flight, but start raising them on the second flight right? That's a sign of faith in the system. Throw a plane on jacks, swing the gear a few thousand times, simulate smashing it into the ground, and get additional reps on every test flight. I'm sure Boeing will still figure out a way to screw it up, but it doesn't seem like it *should* be a major hurdle.
03-25-2024, 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Hotel Kilo
Let's clear this up a bit. The 757 IS great. Best NB ever (over) built. Still well ahead of anything out there produced today. What it lacks is some fuel efficiency. It's not out of the realm to do what I said, it's been done to production aircraft all the time. Lighten the weight where they can to not sacrifice CG (which the 75 has a large regime) and re-engine and then you have something. Boeing didn't even try that. They knew the mjority of the worlds airlines fly the 73 (what is it like 3000 or something ?) so they went all in on stretching it further.
And yes, I was being parochial to Delta. We're still flying ours and don't plan on retiring any of them soon.
And yes, I was being parochial to Delta. We're still flying ours and don't plan on retiring any of them soon.
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