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Old 10-04-2025 | 09:31 AM
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The last 10 or so posts are confirmation that age 67 has definitely been pronounced dead. Anyone got funeral details?
Old 10-04-2025 | 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
I'd rather regulate free markets, to the degree necessary, as opposed to create legions of people who think they're entitled to a bunch of stuff which other people will have to provide for them. Problem there is that the "other" people will get tired of doing $300K worth of work for $30K worth of benefit, and will just go on the dole like everybody else.

Or more likely it just devolves into a government-sponsored ponzi scheme that's bound to collapse eventually. Maybe let's see how Europe is doing in ten years before we get too crazy here.
Trouble is, when you refer to 'entitlements' you are likely talking about basic needs vs say corporate entitlements. Is it fair to say corporations are on the dole too? I'd say certainly so and it wouldn't be hard to find many examples of 'ponzi schemes' aka wasted dollars in corporate welfare. Heck, how about all those PPP loans never repaid by the wealthy?

Like most things, a balance can be achieved but I think we've been unbalanced for awhile and it isn't getting any better. And sure, the whole tax break & subsidy scheme helps businesses create goods & services for the economy which we can see tangible benefits. But also, the investment in our citizenry from the social/stability aspect has great benefit as well. Arguably more. Our homeless & societal issues won't be solved with more bucks for Boeing, Foxconn, Chevron etc. but they will more likely be solved with investments in preventing said issues.
Old 10-04-2025 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Trouble is, when you refer to 'entitlements' you are likely talking about basic needs vs say corporate entitlements. Is it fair to say corporations are on the dole too? I'd say certainly so and it wouldn't be hard to find many examples of 'ponzi schemes' aka wasted dollars in corporate welfare. Heck, how about all those PPP loans never repaid by the wealthy?

Like most things, a balance can be achieved but I think we've been unbalanced for awhile and it isn't getting any better. And sure, the whole tax break & subsidy scheme helps businesses create goods & services for the economy which we can see tangible benefits. But also, the investment in our citizenry from the social/stability aspect has great benefit as well. Arguably more. Our homeless & societal issues won't be solved with more bucks for Boeing, Foxconn, Chevron etc. but they will more likely be solved with investments in preventing said issues.

Yes, I did say to regulate it.

If that's not happening it's frankly because of voter apathy... instead of eating up the rage bait and polarizing to straight-ticket, people need to become more civically engaged.

Yes various powerful, nefarious interests work to hijack our democratic processes to their own ends, but the biggest offender is the establishment itself, not a corporation here or a corporation there (the corporations have naturally learned how to play the game according to the establishment's rules).

But elections here still work, if people would only avail themselves. Or maybe better to say take their civic duty seriously.

Socialist "democracy" isn't going to be any better if the democracy part is apathetic. New boss, same as the old boss. Worse actually, if history is any indicator.

The idea that socialism will be great, despite the history, because we're going to do it right *this* time is utter hogwash. Human nature hasn't changed since the last time it. If it were to come to pass here, it would simply be the manifestation of another electoral temper tantrum (like 2016 and 2024). As opposed to some great awakening and forward progress to utopia.
Old 10-04-2025 | 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Yes, I did say to regulate it.

If that's not happening it's frankly because of voter apathy... instead of eating up the rage bait and polarizing to straight-ticket, people need to become more civically engaged.

Yes various powerful, nefarious interests work to hijack our democratic processes to their own ends, but the biggest offender is the establishment itself, not a corporation here or a corporation there (the corporations have naturally learned how to play the game according to the establishment's rules).

But elections here still work, if people would only avail themselves. Or maybe better to say take their civic duty seriously.

Socialist "democracy" isn't going to be any better if the democracy part is apathetic. New boss, same as the old boss. Worse actually, if history is any indicator.

The idea that socialism will be great, despite the history, because we're going to do it right *this* time is utter hogwash. Human nature hasn't changed since the last time it. If it were to come to pass here, it would simply be the manifestation of another electoral temper tantrum (like 2016 and 2024). As opposed to some great awakening and forward progress to utopia.
Apathy indeed, the Founders would probably be pretty upset at the amount of folks who sit out elections.

I won't get too into the weeds here, but there are pragmatic solutions vs raging all the time. We need to step back from the rage and sort a few things out.
Old 10-04-2025 | 10:26 AM
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I haven't read all 135 pages of comments, but there are a couple of senators/representatives who are pushing for the age to be raised or lifted. My husband worked with helicopter pilots who were still flying our greatest assets, soldiers, at age 74. Army DACs don't have an age limit. General aviation doesn't have an age limit. If you can still pass your medical and checkride, age limits need to die.
Old 10-04-2025 | 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by ntsbcons
I haven't read all 135 pages of comments, but there are a couple of senators/representatives who are pushing for the age to be raised or lifted. My husband worked with helicopter pilots who were still flying our greatest assets, soldiers, at age 74. Army DACs don't have an age limit. General aviation doesn't have an age limit. If you can still pass your medical and checkride, age limits need to die.
Thanks for letting us know.we have not heard any of that before.

I think your best bet is to send money to LEPF and EPAS. They have guaranteed that Congress will get the retirement age. Help them push it over the top.
Old 10-04-2025 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by ntsbcons
I haven't read all 135 pages of comments, but there are a couple of senators/representatives who are pushing for the age to be raised or lifted. My husband worked with helicopter pilots who were still flying our greatest assets, soldiers, at age 74. Army DACs don't have an age limit. General aviation doesn't have an age limit. If you can still pass your medical and checkride, age limits need to die.
General aviation actually does have age limits for PVT/Comm - minimums, that is.
Age 67 “mentors” are perfectly fine with THAT type of “discrimination” - we haven’t heard any of them complain about it.
The reason you don’t find an age limit in general aviation is because they’re not hauling 365 pax (or 150 x 2 flights or 70 x 4 flights).
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
General aviation actually does have age limits for PVT/Comm - minimums, that is.
Age 67 “mentors” are perfectly fine with THAT type of “discrimination” - we haven’t heard any of them complain about it.
The reason you don’t find an age limit in general aviation is because they’re not hauling 365 pax (or 150 x 2 flights or 70 x 4 flights).
Exactly no once cares when you auger a Cessna 172 into a corn field, put a corporate jet down on a freeway and it might make local news…..auger an airliner in and you get congressional hearings on safety.
Old 10-04-2025 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Yep. The concept of 'socialism' in the States gets an overly bad rap I believe. I'll take a system that balances the needs of the many vs the needs of the few. The ultra rich have set themselves up nicely to control the narrative, reap all the benefits and now easily pit us against each other. All the while distracting us from the fact that most folks share the same struggles, stagnant wages, unaffordable housing, and a system designed to keep wealth flowing upward.

The vast majority of us here discussing this are easily in the top 5% of earners, so it's easy to forget and not see the struggles of others. Moving more toward a semblance of social democracy vs corporate feudalism wouldn't be the worst thing in my book.
it gets a bad rap because it NEVER works! Once someone gets a taste of getting something someone else has earned without doing anything for it themselves, they want more and more.

give me one example of socialism working in a society and the people at the bottom actually have a quality standard of living .

and before you say “Denmark, Finland Norway ect”””


Despite common misconceptions, the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden) are not socialist economies. Instead, they operate under a capitalist, free-market framework that funds extensive social welfare programs through high taxes. This system is more accurately described as social democracy, with the following key characteristics:
  • Welfare capitalism: The state intervenes to provide social security and equal opportunity but does not control the means of production.
  • High taxes: These generous welfare systems are financed through high taxes on all citizens, not just the wealthy.
  • Strong unions: Labor unions play a significant role in policymaking and collective bargaining.
  • Flexible labor market: Policies are designed to provide generous social benefits and job training to offset flexible hiring and firing practices.


and their heavy social programs only work in these countries due to there extremely homogeneous population with a value system that does not reward laziness.
Old 10-04-2025 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ntsbcons
I haven't read all 135 pages of comments, but there are a couple of senators/representatives who are pushing for the age to be raised or lifted. My husband worked with helicopter pilots who were still flying our greatest assets, soldiers, at age 74. Army DACs don't have an age limit. General aviation doesn't have an age limit. If you can still pass your medical and checkride, age limits need to die.
yea we had a DAC in our unit that couldn’t let go and had no business continuing to fly instead of sitting on the porch. Metal lapses, constantly falling asleep ect.,, not exactly the poster child for raising the age.

PS: nice second post …
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