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Old 10-04-2025 | 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
General aviation actually does have age limits for PVT/Comm - minimums, that is.
Age 67 “mentors” are perfectly fine with THAT type of “discrimination” - we haven’t heard any of them complain about it.
The reason you don’t find an age limit in general aviation is because they’re not hauling 365 pax (or 150 x 2 flights or 70 x 4 flights).
Please show us on the doll where the “ mentor” hurt you.
Old 10-04-2025 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
it gets a bad rap because it NEVER works! Once someone gets a taste of getting something someone else has earned without doing anything for it themselves, they want more and more.

give me one example of socialism working in a society and the people at the bottom actually have a quality standard of living .

and before you say “Denmark, Finland Norway ect”””


Despite common misconceptions, the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden) are not socialist economies. Instead, they operate under a capitalist, free-market framework that funds extensive social welfare programs through high taxes. This system is more accurately described as social democracy, with the following key characteristics:
  • Welfare capitalism: The state intervenes to provide social security and equal opportunity but does not control the means of production.
  • High taxes: These generous welfare systems are financed through high taxes on all citizens, not just the wealthy.
  • Strong unions: Labor unions play a significant role in policymaking and collective bargaining.
  • Flexible labor market: Policies are designed to provide generous social benefits and job training to offset flexible hiring and firing practices.


and their heavy social programs only work in these countries due to there extremely homogeneous population with a value system that does not reward laziness.
I know what works even worse - dictatorships. Russia, N Korea, Hungary, all terrible economies. One thing common to these is you have the dictator’s heavy hand in picking winners and losers, the antithesis of capitalism.
Old 10-04-2025 | 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
I know what works even worse - dictatorships. Russia, N Korea, Hungary, all terrible economies. One thing common to these is you have the dictator’s heavy hand in picking winners and losers, the antithesis of capitalism.
socialism usually leads to dictatorship.. history has demonstrated it repeatedly
Old 10-04-2025 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
it gets a bad rap because it NEVER works! Once someone gets a taste of getting something someone else has earned without doing anything for it themselves, they want more and more.

give me one example of socialism working in a society and the people at the bottom actually have a quality standard of living .

and before you say “Denmark, Finland Norway ect”””


Despite common misconceptions, the Nordic countries (Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway, and Sweden) are not socialist economies. Instead, they operate under a capitalist, free-market framework that funds extensive social welfare programs through high taxes. This system is more accurately described as social democracy, with the following key characteristics:
  • Welfare capitalism: The state intervenes to provide social security and equal opportunity but does not control the means of production.
  • High taxes: These generous welfare systems are financed through high taxes on all citizens, not just the wealthy.
  • Strong unions: Labor unions play a significant role in policymaking and collective bargaining.
  • Flexible labor market: Policies are designed to provide generous social benefits and job training to offset flexible hiring and firing practices.


and their heavy social programs only work in these countries due to there extremely homogeneous population with a value system that does not reward laziness.
However I’m not calling for straight socialism and the whole “homogeneous society” argument is kinda weak. It’s an attempt to rationalize political paralysis (ahem Congress) and excuse growing inequality. The social democracies you pointed out aren’t anti-capitalist, they’ve simply figured out how to balance markets with fairness and stability. There’s no reason we couldn’t adopt some of those same principles here without abandoning our own roots or economic success.
Old 10-04-2025 | 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Clearedtocross
I know what works even worse - dictatorships. Russia, N Korea, Hungary, all terrible economies. One thing common to these is you have the dictator’s heavy hand in picking winners and losers, the antithesis of capitalism.
It's really something that folks are more keen to embrace strong man politics and risk sliding toward giving away the very freedoms we are supposedly proud of and known for. But talk about helping out the whole of society and we blow a gasket.
Old 10-04-2025 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by 744ButtonPusher
socialism usually leads to dictatorship.. history has demonstrated it repeatedly
Often starts with the dictator first. The control freak wants to control everything. It’s an addiction for which the only fix is “more”. There are delusions of grandeur once these people gain power, and no one dare tell them they’re wrong. So they typically manipulate industries, markets, interest rates until the whole thing collapses. Chile is another example.
Old 10-04-2025 | 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
It's really something that folks are more keen to embrace strong man politics and risk sliding toward giving away the very freedoms we are supposedly proud of and known for. But talk about helping out the whole of society and we blow a gasket.
I know exactly what you mean. They’re buying the narrative that to prevent socialism we need a strong man in place, not understanding that a dictator will tank your economy by using everything BUT capitalism. People wired as dictators cannot help themselves with these sorts of things.
Old 10-04-2025 | 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
It's really something that folks are more keen to embrace strong man politics and risk sliding toward giving away the very freedoms we are supposedly proud of and known for. But talk about helping out the whole of society and we blow a gasket.
Regardless of what you think of him (not much personally), I have come to realize that he's the symptom, not the problem. Probably better to think about how to address the problem(s), maybe we can find our way back to a new normal. We probably can, our system has had far worse disruptions, on several occasions in the past.
Old 10-04-2025 | 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
Regardless of what you think of him (not much personally), I have come to realize that he's the symptom, not the problem. Probably better to think about how to address the problem(s), maybe we can find our way back to a new normal. We probably can, our system has had far worse disruptions, on several occasions in the past.
It's the 'probably' that keeps me up at night. I really hope we can. I won't thread drift this one any further.

Glad 67 is dead again. For now.
Old 10-05-2025 | 02:13 AM
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I guess this thread has run its course.

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