IATA Calls for Raising Pilot Age Limit to 67
09-08-2025 | 10:46 AM
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And…. No, I’m not a [Baby] Boomer. But it’s disgusting how they’ve been treated. I’ve been agnostic on 67, for it…against it…Don’t care currently one way or another. But the longer the Lies & vitriol continue I’m thinking it wouldn’t be such a bad thing for post-Covid Millenials to experience a couple years of Stagnation, perpetual reserve and no overtime. It would be a dose of reality instead of the fantasy world they’ve been handed…..by… [Baby] Boomers.
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09-08-2025 | 11:29 AM
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I understand the feeling of betrayal, but I gotta say I don't necessarily disagree with what ALPA did. I'm opposed to 67. I know ALPA is opposed to 67 right now. But if tomorrow it was obvious that the powers that be were going to push it along regardless of what ALPA wanted, I fully understand the sentiment of feigning cooperation for the sake of having a seat at the table. Fighting it to the end knowing you're gonna lose sounds honorable and all that but would it have really been the smart thing to do? This is also knowing that the pilot group back then had little to no leverage in the post-911 era. Different time with different individuals running unions under completely different circumstances and different mindsets.
scrutiny, or airlines are “expected” to retrain retirees. ALPA will have more credibility not less. Some here are suggesting ALPA lost it last time around therefore they hold none in any situation today.
09-08-2025 | 12:55 PM
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Let Experienced Pilots Fly
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
09-08-2025 | 12:57 PM
#466
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Let Experienced Pilots Fly
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
09-08-2025 | 12:58 PM
#467
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Let Experienced Pilots Fly
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
sounds like it was written by some hone that hasn’t had to fly with a few 63+ pilots.
09-08-2025 | 01:06 PM
#469
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Let Experienced Pilots Fly
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
NOTAM #16
“EXPERIENCE MATTERS”
September 8, 2025
This update includes:
· Meeting with Senator Kelly’s office
· Safety claim by some unions
**Senator Kelly is a co-sponsor of the LEPF bill. On Friday, September 5th, we had a meeting with Senator Kelly’s office. We thanked the Senator for his unwavering support and re-confirmed his continued support of the LEPF Bill when it gets re-introduced. We discussed, among other things, the current status of ICAO WP349and the nominee for US Ambassador to ICAO. Senator Kelly’s support is significant because it highlights the bipartisan nature of eliminating/raising the age.
**While some unions are waving the safety flag, at the end of the day it is an empty claim. We have plenty of data that supports raising the age. We have pilots that on day one after retirement are flying for NetJets and other Part 125 and Part 135 operators with no age limit. The exception is NetJets which has a contractual retirement age of 70. These pilots are often flying the same type aircraft as the airlines in the same airspace. The data exists in the 60-65 age range as well, since 2007. At the end of the day, the safety claim is a red herring.
Senator Tammy Duckworth, a veteran pilot herself, established that there is no safety issue on this topic. Multiple FAA aviation medical examiners (AME) have written letters to Congress advocating for the elimination of the ageist, discriminatory law and supporting medical science, as the determining factor for pilot retirement.
The burden of proof should be on the agencies that restrict the pilot license privileges at a certain age, to justify why they do so.
Experience Matters!
LEPF
Senator Kelly was happy to pat us on the head, make us feel important, and pocket our contributions to his campaign/PAC.
Senator Duckworth maintains opposition to raising the age, but we're going to toss in a meaningless data point to make you all feel better.
We have "plenty" of "data," but we aren't going to share it with you or anyone, since it's much better to claim we have data than to actually expose it as worthless. We're trying to convince stakeholders that we shouldn't bear the burden of proof, and failing miserably, at the end of the day. Ageism! Discrimination!
At the end of the day, Keep the faith! Send money!
Senator Duckworth maintains opposition to raising the age, but we're going to toss in a meaningless data point to make you all feel better.
We have "plenty" of "data," but we aren't going to share it with you or anyone, since it's much better to claim we have data than to actually expose it as worthless. We're trying to convince stakeholders that we shouldn't bear the burden of proof, and failing miserably, at the end of the day. Ageism! Discrimination!
At the end of the day, Keep the faith! Send money!
09-08-2025 | 01:10 PM
#470
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Have some conversations with NetJets folks. They’ll tell you the old guys are a problem.
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